Bruh, the chat saying he cheated is wild. Being forced to have sex with someone you don't want at basically gunpoint isn't cheating last time I checked.

“He cheated a lot.” That’s a wild thing to say chat when the man got SA’d a lot.

Fun fact: a floating island actually refers to an island unrelated to a nearby landmass, an island floating in the open ocean. Jorge admitted he misunderstood the text but the song was already produced and published.

I can obviously tell the chat wasn't telling you the whole truth, with Circe he had to because unless he didn't his men would not be turned back from pigs, and with Calypso she forced herself on Odysseus, those confrontations when he was forced into doing that makes it not cheating he was being forced to do so, as well the case with Circe having a child with Odysseus was a part of another story called The Telegony which isn't truly connected to the Odyssey because it wasn't written by the original writer Homer

1:34:54 Neal Illustrator's version of Thunderbringer will ALWAYS be my favorite for this one choice. I see so many adaptations where the entire crew, including Eury, attack Odysseus here. But I love that, in Neal's version, Eury doesn't attack. Instead he simply stares at Odysseus with pure sadness and heartbreak as his own best friend sentences him to death. For all the mutinous crew, they have no problem attacking Odysseus, but for Eury the relationship is much deeper, so seeing him standing alone, frozen in a moment of pure heartbreak is such a powerful scene.

This is a funny little fact that not too many people who listened to Epic might know: this whole ordeal may have been an ironic cosmic punishment for Odysseus:

When Helen of Troy was first getting married, her stepfather couldn't decide on a suitor because there were so many of them and choosing one may have resulted in a war with the rejects. One suitor, Odysseus, saw the competition, decided to back off, and offered his help to Helen's stepfather. He convinced the suitors to agree to a treaty where a) they won't fight over Helen's hand regardless of who was chosen and b) TO DEFEND HELEN'S MARRIAGE. The only thing Odysseus asked for was for Helen's stepdad to help in securing his own marriage to Penelope.

Then Helen got abducted and the Trojan War kicked off; and all the kings, lords, and nobles of Greece who swore the oath were obliged by their honor to fight Troy. Odysseus, who also took the oath, tried to get out of it. He pretended to have become insane, got exposed, was dragged into the war, and then took 20 years to get back home.

In other words, Odysseus was the one who escalated a marriage dispute between two kingdoms into the Ancient Greek Mythological equivalent of a World War, and then tried to break his commitments to the treaty he personally created. A treaty he made so he can get married to Penelope. If that is not cosmic retribution, I don't know what is.

Every day Amalee's getting closer to having all vtubers to watch Epic.

Odysseus absolutely went to the underworld in the Odyssey. he saw several of his old comrades like achilles, patroclus, and agamemnon before finding the blind prophet tiresias there in order to find out how to get home

Just to make it clear, this is a retelling of a retelling. No one knows the first rendition of the Odyssey because it wasn't recoded but instead retold by mouth. So the one that survived and recoded wasn't the first version but a version of the teller. The version we are watching is a version of the one who made the musical so some problematic parts are removed just like how the version that survived has a concept which is not to mess with the gods.

NO WAY???? MOM’S A WINION NOW????? OMG WE’RE ACTUALLY WINNINGGGGGGG

Here's some fun facts about EPIC!

1. The island Ogygia that Calypso resides on is enchanted. If you try to sail away from it from its northern shore, you will find yourself on the southern shore of the island, and vice versa. Same for east and west. This enchantment is actually maintained by Calypso herself because the Island gives her permanent youth and beauty. If she were to leave, she would lose it.

She was banished to the island after supporting the Titans in the 10-year war between the Titans and the Gods.

When Ody arrives, Calypso uses her powers to enchant Odysseus, and force him to bed with her against his will.

Its said that during the day, Odysseus would cry on the shores of Ogygia, and at night he would be forced to sleep with Calypso in her cave.

Athena convinces Zeus to step in, and he sends Hermes to the Island, who tells Calypso that Odysseus is fated to return home to Ithaca, so she must release him for which she reluctantly obliges, and removes the enchantment from Odysseus, allowing him to leave.
It's important to note, that EPIC is different from the mythos. Calypso never assaults Odysseus in EPIC, she actually falls in love with him and treats him kind and fair, and Odysseus greatly appreciates it, but feels guilty that she loves him and he does not love her.
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2. In Greek mythos, there was a very specific way you had to be buried, with coins. This is because the River Styx is winding and confusing, and those without a guide were doomed to wander the underworld for eternity. Had you been buried with coins, you could pay the ferryman Charon, to guide you across the river.

So we know why Polities was there, he was killed in the cave, and the rest of his men were killed at sea, but why is his Ody's mom there? Surely the mother of a king would have proper burial rites performed when she died?

Well in most telling's, its said that Anticlea (his mom) dies from a broken heart, but in a few, its said that upon seeing the storm conjured by Poseidon, she was filled with grief, believing that no man could survive such a storm. Believing that her son was  dead, she climbed the cliffs of Ithaca, and threw herself from the peaks into the water below, hence no proper burial.

Also the slight discrepancy with the number of men killed by Poseidon and the number of souls in the underworld can be explained. Elpenor was a soldier on the crew. At Circe's palace, he become intoxicated and climbed the Palace, falling from the top and breaking his neck killing him. Ody actually meets him in the underworld later, and Elpenor exclaims that "no one even noticed he had died" which is true. There was a song planned for him, but it was ultimately cut.
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3. Scylla is a legendary 6 headed man eating monster. Her lair lies exists on a  narrow strait opposite Charybdis, a gigantic sea swallowing creature that sucks in water 3 times a day.

The two threats lie so close together (about the distance an arrow can fly from a bow) that those wishing to avoid the whirlpool made by Charybdis find themselves dangerously close so Scylla, and sailors wishing to avoid Scyllas snarling teeth, may find themselves being swallowed whole by the sea.

Odysseus knew all of this. He could go through Chardybis and succeeding means no men die, but failing means losing his entire ship, meanwhile going through Scylla means 6 men are probably going to die, but the crew as a whole survives, so he has his Eury light up 6 torches, randomly selecting 6 men to die without telling his men what the torches are for. This differs from the original myth, where they pass through Scylla in pitch black, and the only way Odysseus knew his men were being taken, was because they were screaming as Scylla snatched them from the ship. In both EPIC and the myth, Odysseus fails once again to tell his crew what he's leading them into, believing himself to be capable of guiding them through it on his own. This turmoil eventually leads to the mutiny from his tired, starving and now distrustful crew.

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4. These are the cattle of Helios, who is the personification of the sun. They reside on the island of Thrinacia, and there are seven herds with fifty cows in each herd. Circe actually warns Odysseus about these cows in the original story, as they are 'holy cattle' and cannot breed.

Helios is extremely protective of these cows because of their holy status, as he cannot replenish their numbers.

After Eurolychus and the crew kill his cattle, Helios threatens to drag the sun into the underworld and shine it among the dead (which would cause the dead to flee from the underworld and into the world of the living and cause the world of the living to freeze over) unless retribution is made. He tells this to Zeus, who is then shouldered with the task of dealing out punishment to Odysseus and his men.

Zeus gives Ody the choice, one life for many, or many lives for one, a decision he has made before, a few times at this point. Only this time, he makes the opposite choice, choosing to spare his own life in exchange for the rest of his men. (In Homers story there was no choice, Zeus killed all of his men by throwing a lightning bolt into his ship. Its unknown why he spared Ody, but it might have been because he had slight affection for him, or rather his daughter's affection towards him.)
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5. There are many motifs in EPIC but one of the most prominent is the "Danger" motif, that you hear when danger is close. You can hear it best at  behind Eury talking during Mutiny. It shows up a lot, but one of the most creative ways is during ruthlessness. When PO-SEI_DON is chanted in Ruthlessness, the "SEI-DON" mimics the cadence of the Danger motif. Also when Odysseus's men call out "CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN!" its also in the cadence of the danger motif. Another example of motifs, is when Ody is telling Penelope what he did to get home, you can hear the motif for the three hardest parts of his journey as he tells her.
2:34:16 "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves!"
2:34:21 "Thun-der Bringer!"
2:34:28 "But I'm not sorry for loving you..!"
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6. All of the song in EPIC follow a naming scheme, they are named after their subject matter.
Hold Them Down
The Horse and the Infant
Thunder Bringer
etc

There is one exception to this rule however.

Song about Monsters.
Those are titled using that monsters name
Polyphemus
Scylla
Charybdis
Odysseus

46:22 “And his raspy voice, OH!”
That is Steven Rodriguez, and his solo career has A LOT of songs that take (ahem) full advantage of his (ahem) talent.
Edit: I got probably the funniest ad placement ever. Odysseus: “Throw their bodies back in the water. Let them-“ Eggo ad: “When they groan at your dad jokes, butter them up with Eggo” Truly a fate worse than death, dad jokes and waffles.

Yeah in the original myth Odysseus does cheat but none of them could actually be counted as consensual as he was forced to do it for the survival of himself and his crew

Winions we have gained another, let us enjoy her reaction men, full speed ahead!

Loved seeing this.  Always happy to see more people find Epic, and seeing one of my favorite streamers react to it was great.

I know there's going to be a lot of arguements about the 'real' versions of the stories, but there's a lot of versions, which villainize or lionize different characters.  Instead, I'ld rather say that Epic really hones in on the core of the story, and shows why even thousands of years later the Odyssey is still inspiring great works.

I could say a whole lot, but I'll just share my favorite observation.  There's a lot to be said Odysseus' pride and the different ways it manifests in the story (and I like how Jorge has some more subtle moments of pride to go along with the obvious ones), but it also is a key part of why his crew is loyal for so long.  Odysseus is known as a liar and trickster and is disrespected for being so by many others during the Trojan war (which he even tried to get out of), but his men trust him almost completely because Odysseus takes pride in not losing his me.  So he's a known liar and cheat, but his men are okay with it because the liar is dedicated to getting them home.

But in Epic, when they see that Odysseus is willing to sacrifice them, what remains of the crew immediately break.  Once the initial anger has passed, they fall to despair practically immediately, believing getting home was impossible.  While pride was absolutely Odysseus' fatal flaw, in a way, it gave his men hope that they were led by the man who "took 600 men to war and not one of them died there".  When he no longer took pride in keeping his men alive, they had nothing else to pin their hopes on.

Bro chat just feeding mata lies lmao He and Circe did NOT have babies in the OG lmao That was a rewrite from someone else later on

Vtubers have slowly but surely been reacting and hopefully one day we'll get them all to react and enjoy it🥰🥰

Fun fact: in the original, Hermes also warned Circe about Odysseus kinda just having fun. Though he also does like helping heroes, he and Athena are like the two helpful gods

Wasn’t shown in the animatic you watched, but in the Live-streamed/“official” animations the guy who made this would show when new albums released, when Athena is passed out after Zeus’s attack before her big come back, the flashback shows she was there when Telemachus was born and got to hold him as a baby. She didn’t “just meet him”, he’s been her friend without her even knowing it his entire life.

VOD gang! Glad you enjoyed it, Matara! ❤