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Leaving the Message

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John and Andrew explore the hidden history of Pentecostalism, the Independent Assemblies of God, the PAOC, Myrtle Beall, George Hawtin, and the New Order of the Latter Rain. Andrew shares how family history, church memory, prophecy, and Canadian Pentecostal roots led him to question what was inherited, what was biblical, and what may have quietly continued into modern charismatic and New Apostolic Reformation circles.

The discussion examines how movements build entire systems of belief from loaded phrases, prophecy stories, personal experience, and verses taken outside their original setting. From Azusa Street and early Pentecostal splits to Latter Rain influence in local churches, the conversation asks how Christians can separate genuine faith from inherited religious systems, historical gaps, and spiritual authority claims.

00:00 Introduction
01:38 Growing Up in the PAOC
02:42 Independent Assemblies of God Questions
04:40 Researching a Family Church History
06:31 The Problem of Conflicting Pentecostal Histories
09:05 PAOC History, Azusa Street, and Latter Rain
13:14 Pentecostal Origins and Revival Networks
17:15 Doctrine, Seymour, Durham, and Sanctification
21:29 Denominational Splits and Doctrinal Perfection
25:35 Myrtle Beall, Prophecy, and Latter Rain Influence
30:37 William Branham Historical Research Announcement
31:37 Loaded Language and Castles of Doctrine
36:25 Misused Scripture and Pentecostal Preaching
45:13 Scripture, Agendas, and Weaponized Religion
49:23 Family History, Free Methodists, and Myrtle Beall
52:29 Independent Assemblies of God and PAOC Tensions
54:14 Did Latter Rain Influence Really Die Out?
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20 Comments

@rebeccamclean1541 2 months ago (edited)

I grew up in a Pentecostal church and do believe in the gifts of the Spirit; however, oftentimes wildfire would invade and take over. Now with the NAR, the fire is out of control.

@Ruby-wise 2 months ago (edited)

I grew up AG,yet visited other churches like PCOG and Pentecostal Holiness and Free Pentecostal Holiness etc etc so I UNDERSTAND the many branches of teaching. Some taught sanctification as a separate work after receiving the gift of tongues. Some taught everyone could speak in tongues. Others,,only those whom the Spirit willed. It’s a miracle i have my right mind after 80+ years in the pentecostal charismatic and WOF movements!! Some may-doubt even that!

@VictorianMaid99 10 days ago

The truth is there: we just have to admit it to ourselves.

@vallarygroda8602 4 days ago (edited)

I’ve never been Pentecostal but I do go to a church that the pastor is an expository pastor in reformed theology ( Protestant Reformation) He preaches verse by verse . I have the book Strange Fire by the late John MacArthur that is extremely informative about the very beginnings of Pentecostalism to recent times. I am praying for this man that the Holy Scriptures will Reveal the Truth to him . Anytime you add anything to our salvation -anything you add is adding works and is not being saved by Faith alone. Grace alone Faith alone & the doctrine of Justification

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

I love your ministry. God bless you 🙏🙏

@elianaboer7593 2 months ago

I hope you have him on again! Thank you botb, I can relate and we need more of this! God bless!

@SylvanAB-HVGB 2 months ago

Canadian Pentecostal here. This guest gets it. “Expository”, that’s the way to do it.

@eyesinindia 2 weeks ago

I was saved in 70 and experienced HS manifestations and saw man take over unreal stuff . I believe the HS moves when we pray a movement happens then MAN TAKES OVER THE FLESH RULES

@ralphjesperson 2 months ago

I like this discussion as it about actually taking a hard look at what was taught to you and what the history is and what fruit was produced out of certain doctrines to critique is this thing good and true, or is it off, maybe a little, maybe to the place of it being a heresy. This needs to be done so much more frequently for this thing of being on autopilot and just following the priest wherever he goes, can land you, along with your priest, in a ditch! Jesus warned about that.
And one other comment about the "chew on the meat and spit out the bones thing." I first heard this from a former roommate of mine who became a religious studies student at a university. He was reading all kinds of thick books about theology. He said that assuming he was smart enough to always know the difference between meat and bones. He later on embraced a strange heresy of universalism. Something he called a heresy before. "For those who think that they stand, take head less you fall." The definition of humility is not to think too much of yourself. Not your power, or wisdom, or discernment or anything else. Jesus calls us sheep who are quite dumb for a reason....

@Rocky11WWW 2 months ago

Really enjoyed this discussion!!! Thank you!😊

@enapaaske58 2 months ago

Thank you for this. There is so much interesting things to talk about, I wish I could do that with someone in my country Denmark.

@lesliewells-ig5dl 2 months ago

There's so many secondary issues that Christians can disagree about.

@mikeheath8318 2 months ago

I like him! Get him back. He has more stories to tell which can explain things to those of us who don't have the same experience.

@lesliewells-ig5dl 2 months ago

Thanks John and Andrew!

@barefootinprogreso 2 months ago

I lived not from from his home town of Gilmor, Ontario and I found his story so refreshing. And was in a PAOC church there for 25 years. In the last 8 years I have unlearned many things!

@yukey2587 2 months ago

Got.saved in a PAOC church. Went to a PAOC Bible college. I have a lot of u learning to so. Azuza street was primary.

@lesliewells-ig5dl 2 months ago

I like the phrase castles of doctrine.

@TheMontanus777 2 months ago (edited)

Sincere thanks for being open to a plethora of sources and views that may or may not reflect your position on theological matters. Such exodus from elitist groups like some of us experienced that forbid communication is stifling. While a litmus test is usually warranted to insure foreign concepts are not introduced to these groups bespeaks fear ever present in cults that fear truth. While there are central and cardinal truths that a Christian should hold, beyond the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus (which IS the Gospel) I have never been one to ignore a reasonable and rational discussion about Scripture and have gained valuable understanding from “sheep that are not of this fold”
(John 10:16) Thanks John for the openness to the experience of others. Such an open minded tolerance of Christians that are not identified as “the remnant elect”is not a view my elitist group offered!
Blessings in Jesus name! 🕊️