As a person who was in that movement for only 6 years, I agree with your opinion. I spent 5 years after leaving—1. Realizing God had actually directed me away from the teaching and not just the congregation, and 2. detoxing and disentangling my faith from those teachings. I just now, in the 6th year out of it, feel like I am on sound footing again. Man it was a turbulent faith-shaking ordeal. My brain had to actually be rewired in some ways.

Thank you for your research, wisdom and insight into the understanding of history and how it is manifested today.

Thank you so much for your dedication and research on these movements. Also your heart for the people damaged and hurt ❤

This is bone-chilling. I am literally shaking listening to this. God help us. Revive us… to break the generational corruption.

Yes, I concluded that what I believed was very close to Latter Rain theology. I found the position papers of the Assemblies of God and it was a major factor in my turning away from NAR.

Some people will do anything to have power over other people.

As an ordained pastor within the AoG, I wish the AoG would do a better job of policing its affiliated churches who are engaged with NAR teachings and practices.  While it’s one thing to recognize the error, it’s another to hold its fellowship accountable.  I was recently fired from my pastoral position for challenging the rest of the staff for adhering to such teachings and practices.

The idea that pastors being accountable is wrong is something I believed too.  We were so brainwashed!

A fascinating episode. Thank you.

I'm a retired Baptist pastor from around Sydney, Australia.

I was converted in my mid teens through a fundamentalist Baptist church. I gained a lot through that association, but I felt trapped in many ways and it was a combination of the charismatic/Pentecostal movement in the 1970s, a book, "The Late Great Planet Earth" and a couple of years later, a book, "The Believers' Church" which helped me move on from that first church.

Pentecostalism showed me that there can be a freedom in the Spirit which Baptists almost denied in the 1960s. Lindsay's book inadvertently exposed the false teachings in Dispensationism, and Durnbaugh's book introduced me to aspects of the radical reformation which I'd not thought about.

I'm very thankful for Pentecostalism/Charismatic Christianity, but I did come up against some questionable aspects.

I read stuff by Juan Carlos Ortiz, C Peter Wagner, Ern Baxter, Derek Prince, Zac Poonan, Dennis Bennett and others, and often gained useful insights, but I'm glad I didn't fully go along with them. Whether or not they were OK, I could see people who were not OK too close to some of them for safety.

I'm sad at times to see what has become of Pentecostalism in Australia. The Foursquare churches, which were quite big, have disappeared; the AoG became bloated, with great Hillsong music and three morning services, or whatever, but some of their charm was their earnestness in their little dark brick chapels, often trying out something needed before the other churches caught on.

What used to be the Christian Revival Crusade still seems to be keeping a steady and biblical course.

There has been far too much fakery and unbiblical abuse in Pentecostal circles, and I appreciate your role in addressing these issues.

I grew up in the Assemblies of God, in the 1970s and 1980s. Our church was nothing like the NAR. As a matter of fact, in the 1970s, my pastor preached against the Shepherding Movement.

I appreciate all your research...I was Nar for 25 years...I did much of my own research...but really learn alot listening to your podcasts....thank you

John, you help me so much. Thanks for your work.

Love your analysis of this period of the history of Christianity.

Thank you for helping realign the church to it's original biblical design. Keep going!

Thanks for this & for all the hard work you’ve done digging through history. Your research has been a lot of help to me over the years through your website and more recently through the podcast (I especially like the episodes with you and Charles)

As a pastor, it’s been really helpful to understand the background of the NAR since I run into it constantly, and the understanding I’ve gained is a great tool when dealing with someone who’s been all tangled up in the NAR movement.

The whole AOG thing is sad, because statements like the one you’re using, as well as statements they’ve made regarding apostles didn’t seem to have trickled down to the pews. For all intents and purposes many AOG churches don’t look much different than a typical NAR church. COG (Cleveland Tennessee) is in the same boat - only without any statements like these it’s impossible to rein it in at this point.

Thank you for making all this clear. Still trying to get my head around it, but the only thing I come back to is that the whole thing is an evil sham..

Safe travels and prayers things go smoothly

That was very interesting and informative.  I was born in 1952... but my family was involved on both sides of the question  in Saskatchewan. It's always been a bit confusing to me... so Thank you very much for that deep dive.

Latter Rain is still around in a form that is just as destructive as it ever was.

John, Thank's to the Risen Lord for showing you the KEY POINTS that allowed you to connect the dots AND SHARE, thousands are in this and similar and they have NO idea they have followed a FALSE Christ & FALSE Spirit !