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Leaving the Message

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John traces the idea of territorial spirits from the ancient world into the biblical world of Daniel and then into the New Apostolic Reformation. He examines the Prince of Persia, the Prince of Greece, Michael, ancient patron deities, Deuteronomy 32, Psalms 82 and 89, and the changing ways Israel described gods, heavenly beings, nations, and divine authority.

Rather than treating Daniel 10 as instructions for confronting spiritual beings over geographical territories, John focuses on what Daniel actually does: he prays while the conflict takes place in the heavenly realm. The discussion compares that picture with modern spiritual-warfare practices and asks whether today's concept of territorial spirits reflects the ancient biblical setting or represents a much later reinterpretation.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
06:53 Are Territorial Spirits Even Real?
12:51 Daniel’s World: Nations, Kingdoms, and Their Gods
18:33 Israel’s Changing View of Gods and Nations
23:42 Deuteronomy 32 and the Sons of God
29:48 Psalm 82 and the Divine Council
38:21 Returning to Daniel: Who Actually Does the Fighting?
45:17 Daniel’s Prayer vs. Modern Spiritual Warfare
47:25 How Israel’s Divine Worldview Changed Over Time
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20 Comments

@coraeppinga4404 2 days ago

Another GREAT subject to examine❤

@douglasfapp9816 19 hours ago

Thank you so much, I read some other books, that address this. Keep up the good work, you are helping a lot of people.

@enapaaske58 1 day ago

Thank you so very much for this explanation.

@NicoleWalter-p3r 10 hours ago

❤ Thank You for this amazing breakdown John as always!

@pauldraper857 6 hours ago

Great explanation love your work

@DouglasDLee 23 hours ago

This just shows how much the NAR sees everything through a mystic lens. What they call spiritual warfare, I call witchcraft.
True spiritual warfare is not just external, out in the spiritual realm. It is internal, in our own hearts and minds.

@lesliewells-ig5dl 7 hours ago

Thanks John!!

@lesliewells-ig5dl 7 hours ago

People need so much more historical context.

@lizh.9992 8 minutes ago

Excellent ❤ty

@kramsdrawde8159 4 hours ago (edited)

Thank you John this was great, I really like hearing you open up the scriptures and view them IN CONTEXT, something nar/wof/pentacostals/charismatics absolutely refuse to do. My thought is they have an idea and look to the text to prop up what is NOT implied nor stated in the text. After Steve Montgomery & you went through the heresies I think this sect of christianity reached into a bag of heresies pulled one out and taught it to have something NEW to talk about...

@LeNerda62 14 hours ago

Love this!

@lesliewells-ig5dl 7 hours ago (edited)

Dan McClellan talks about the divine council. It makes sense.

@shelleybayless8968 21 hours ago (edited)

Thank you for this explanation, John! I think it is important to discuss it! I’m not a Bible scholar but trying to understand why Bible mentions these things. People seem to go to either extreme: either they blast you for bringing it up or they take it far into supporting Gnosticism. We can’t have a discussion without an argument. I do believe there is only one Almighty God, and the rest were pagan or false gods, but without knowing the historical and cultural context, and the meaning of terms used in original languages, it’s hard to defend your position. It seems like NAR is always trying to find new ways to introduce Gnosticism into Christian belief system.

@LeoxandarMagnus 13 hours ago

Every time you said “ancient spirits of evil” I thought of Mum-Ra from the Thundercats XD

I think for this Daniel text specifically, it must always be placed in the larger context of the apocalyptic book. God reveals to Daniel multiple times that after all of these great empires, beginning with Babylon, there will be God’s kingdom— which is the Church. I think that’s why you have that mention of the Prince of Greece when the angel comes to Daniel. It isn’t even about the first encounters with Greeks and Persians, but the coming of Alexander.

But also, from Daniel to the Psalms and every other book, I think the best hermeneutic is to read it all through the lens of the New Testament and what this is telling me about Jesus, in whom I have hope that He will deliver me from the powers of evil.

@CICMCB 22 hours ago

Territorial spirits do exist. There are many scriptures that reveal the hierarchy of evil spirits especially in Ephesians 6. John. I have watched your often and agree with most of the information presented. I am 76 years old an ordained minister and Christian counselor for 40 years. I first learned of William Branham from The book God’s generals and discerned immediately he was not only a charlatan but used demonic powers. I have enjoyed the research you and your guest have done. However, I have seen where some of your podcast has been throwing the baby out with the bath water. It is a tedious process to extrapolate what is real and sound and Biblical from biased interpretations about certain aspects of spiritual warfare.

@Wildflowersixties 9 hours ago

I haven’t listened yet and it may be a bit down the road before I get time. My routine is all out of whack. Anyone who will, please pray for my husband to find a job soon. We don’t have any income. He lost his job of 23 years about a month ago.

Anyway, I remember the first time I visited a church where they talked about territorial demons. I thought the folks were weird and I got sidetracked with all kinds of stuff that I somehow got convinced was from God. (Let’s just say I made some sinful decisions because of their beliefs). But I wish I had runaway from that place instead of letting it grow on me. Also, that pastor was all about having “a word from the lord” and telling you stuff. I think they are under the full gospel denomination. I know they talk about all the folks like Branham and Wigglesworth and Kuhlman and others. I haven’t been around them in about 12 years.

@Wesjer 1 day ago

What Abraham came to know is what we know and assume as normal today. But at the time it was revealed to Abraham it was very radical as he lived among friends, family, and foes that believed in many gods over many things, requiring various ways of worship, often evil and perverted, all to somehow be appeased and afford humans healthy children, good crops, fishing, hunting, etc. These gods they believed often warred with one another hence the bad weather, bad anything that befell a person. This radical revelation that came to Abraham and called him out, got walked out through the law and passed through the israelite lineage, its judges, kings, captivities, and came in the flesh when Jesus showed up and demonstrated what it looked like literally in life and death because of God's love for all mankind.

@Rocko1II 9 hours ago (edited)

It really isn't that different. Paul very much saw himself as going after the people's assigned to different principalities after babble. The sign of tongues at Penticost was understood to by partly a symbol of the opening up of the new covenant to people's scattered at Babble. The only difference is like you said praying against actively these powers and principalities is probably unwise. But witnessing and spreading the Kingdom one person at a time is how you do spiritual warfare. If angels have to back you up like Daniel than they do.

You have NAR on the brain. You see " NAR" under every rock. They create a lot of drama around a mostly legitimate idea on this. Just look at today and the rise of NEO paganism, witchcraft ect... To think there is no spiritual connection is a choice when it's in your face.

Disagreement about what to do about something isn't the same as disagreement about what to do about it.

@lesliewells-ig5dl 1 day ago

Why do people want to make everything so complicated?

@VeroSpice-n6n 15 hours ago

Pentecostal are forcing themselves into a war that isn't for them. A war that is older than any individual and will outgrow any individual. It's a battle before and beyond us but bound by time. That's what the demons said when they saw Jesus. They knew he had power to bind them but they also knew their timing.