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Leaving the Message

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John and Frannie discuss the world of extreme spiritual warfare, deliverance, discernment, and supernatural claims, asking what happens when extraordinary stories are accepted without evidence or meaningful challenge. Drawing from their own experiences, they examine how fear, anxiety, hypervigilance, and ordinary experiences can be interpreted through a spiritual framework—and how charismatic authority can make questioning those interpretations difficult.

They also explore what this environment can mean for children who grow up hearing stories about demons, witches, warlocks, the rapture, curses, and invisible spiritual threats. John and Franny consider how critical thinking can become suppressed, how fear can be mistaken for discernment, and why examining the larger system of authority and platforming may be more important than focusing on any single leader.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:02 Katie Souza and the Warlock Story
06:30 Believing the Unbelievable
10:01 Growing Up With Supernatural Fear
15:09 When Spiritual Warfare Replaces Evidence
20:07 Discernment, Fear, and Spiritual Authority
24:06 Hypervigilance Disguised as Discernment
29:35 When Normal Experiences Become Spiritual Warfare
33:07 What These Teachings Do to Children
38:18 Deliverance Culture and Unchallenged Claims
42:18 Adults and Children Living in Different Worlds
47:27 The Fear Children Carry
53:00 Unlearning Fear, Shame, and Paranoia
55:43 Questioning the System Itself
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20 Comments

@SP-hb6vv 3 weeks ago

Frannie is one of my favorite guests you have, John. She's so level-headed and calm and full of wisdom. Thank you, John and Frannie.

@missRhonda777 6 days ago

It's so exciting to hear the truth. The truth will set you free!

@lesliewells-ig5dl 3 weeks ago

They scare us and then condemn us for being scared.

@kimberleywittrock 3 weeks ago

I grew up like this and unfortunately raised my daughter in this garbage thinking I was doing right. My relationship with my daughter is so messed up now and no matter how much I got out of this and so did she.....she still hates me for it all. You both are right....dont talk this in front of your kids. I deeply regret it😢.

@BAIC1996 3 weeks ago (edited)

We were in the Charismatic/NAR system while our children were growing up and we were all traumatized. The things that they heard in Sunday school traumatized them and what we were hearing traumatized us. Now we live with the guilt that we subjected them to that. It's awful.

@brittanyantoon9235 3 weeks ago

I so appreciate Frannie’s personal anecdotes. I’m sure I’m not the only listener who can relate to many of them, even down to the evil spirit supposedly attacking a person of influence who slept in your bed. I feel for everyone born into the charismatic movement through parents with loads of unhealed trauma. Thanks for sharing your journey with us, Frannie.

@lorieenne27 3 weeks ago (edited)

I really appreciate this episode. This sounds exactly like this married couple I got to know. The stories like this were non stop with them. I’ve never seen anything like it before. They are actually both in prison now for 5 years. I guess that’s what happens when certain people go like this unchecked. I truly believe they opened themselves up to these types of things. This channel and others have helped me understand what I had encountered with these people and I am very thankful for all your hard work!

@robertfranklin488 3 weeks ago

Franny is my favorite. Without John I would probably still be in it.

@TirzahMakesMusic 3 weeks ago

I love Frannie. Looking forward to listening

@mhccass3663 6 days ago

Great episode, keep up the good works GBUs

@lesliewells-ig5dl 3 weeks ago

Thanks John and Frannie!

@marisablakley108 3 weeks ago

I grew up Assemblies of God Pentecostal and the talk of the rapture and hell was constant. I was always afraid and just like the Co host, always afraid of seeing the spiritual realm. I feel like it was implied that if you obeyed God you would have "blessings" and many people pretended they were always doing well so they would look favored by God.
They believed the gift of tongues should be given to everyone filled with the holy spirit so everyone babbling during worship felt like a measure of your holiness. Worship felt performative to me even as a child. Raising your hands and all these things were proof of your relationship with God.
I really do believe my codependency issues started in the church. Teaching a child they are responsible for the mortal souls of others because you need to convince them through your "witness" that Jesus is real will make anyone think they have more control over others than is healthy!
That being said I've intentionally not raised my children with a single Whisper of hell, demons, or the rapture (even though i still believed in them at the time) and they've turned out way better than I did.

@bmxfamily5 3 weeks ago

I had a Bible study with an older (70s) friend today. His wife is sick. She has been prophesied over, at least twice that she will be fully healed. It hasn't happened, yet. He is questioning a lot. He HAS been healed of various things in his life, but the doubt because Christ healed All, and he believes in healing, but his wife isn't yet, is affecting him.

@lesliewells-ig5dl 3 weeks ago

I was terrified of the rapture when I was a kid.

@thoughtistic5807 3 weeks ago

I grew up with a very demon centered worldview. I left that way of thinking about a decade ago. Life has seemed a lot less stressful since then. But I will say I kind of enjoyed the simplicity of the black and white thinking and the direct cause of occurrences in my life being attributed to demons that I kind of miss. I would never want to go back but the oversimplified "it was a demon, it was not a demon" way of going through life made it feel like I had a very clear goal

@robertgomez4219 3 weeks ago

Great video 💯🙏🏼

@lesliewells-ig5dl 3 weeks ago

I have hypervigilance too.

@DavidHibbard777 3 weeks ago

Lord have mercy
Christ have mercy
Lord heal our children

@johnwwan 3 weeks ago

That pastor is exactly what I’ve experienced… pastors that want to keep the system, cognitive dissonance be damned.

@donnag.3611 3 weeks ago

This was an excellent presentation & I hope you will have her on again. I just met a woman while out shopping & she is caught up in John Onosike from Africa. I hadn't heard of him but had immediate suspicions. On researching him there are many other discerners who have exposed him. What I noticed w/ this woman & w/ others who defend the liars/grifters/fakes is that they are focused on the person & on the enemy bigtime,,,NOT JESUS CHRIST! They are so taken up under the spell that there is NO ROOM FOR THE REAL JESUS CHRIST! Yes, it is satan's system that has the same M.O. wherever he works...in the past & now!!!