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Leaving the Message

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John examines the Paul Cain transcript involving Chuck Smith and explains why it matters far beyond a single conversation. By looking at redactions, power dynamics, and historical context, he shows how indirect pressure and silence functioned inside charismatic leadership networks.

The episode traces a broader pattern of cover-up culture from the post-war healing revivals through later charismatic and apostolic movements. Rather than focusing on individual sins, the discussion centers on how secrecy, authority, and institutional protection shaped outcomes that still affect churches today.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:51 Cover-Up Culture And Why It Changes People
06:24 Hero Worship And The “Moses Model” Framework
09:53 Paul Cain’s Confrontation And A Behind-The-Scenes Example
15:10 Sexuality, Stigma, And How Secrecy Gets Weaponized
24:28 Network Connections: Chuck Smith, Wimber, Frisbee, Shepherding
39:23 “Partner” Language, Census Context, And Research Questions
49:08 Accountability Crisis And The 2007 “Day Of Reckoning” Era
54:34 Closing Reflections On Transparency And Harm
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20 Comments

@ronlagerquist9163 7 months ago

Dude you are helping to restore the faith in the real Jesus for many people. Praying for you and your family.

@lesliewells-ig5dl 7 months ago

I hate how people use Christianity to silence truth tellers by saying they are gossiping or by saying Touchn Not Mine Anointed.

@mistiroberts1576 6 months ago

I was in a cult getting out of it cost me almost everything

@jodyward3790 7 months ago

My family was spiritually abused by a Calvary Chapel. After developing a critical ministry over several years, we were accused of "absence of leadership," and all of our ministry and connections were severed without warning.

From the beginning we had been crystal clear that we regarded the elders as the leadership of the ministry. We had served hundreds of volunteer hours.

Five years of faithful service, fellowship and friendships were stripped from us in one stroke.

Calvary Chapel is a narcissist's playground. The model is imperialistic and nepotistic, while it pretends to be down-to-earth.

The "Moses Model" is completely unscriptural, and will continue to destroy people's lives.

@judithdesjardins156 7 months ago

I appreciate how you are candid in this podcast. I think this approach is important going forward. It will bring courage to us who want to share our experiences with you, it will connect the dots for others, and still others will be able to honestly engage with some self-awareness about the issues.

@riversofjoy 7 months ago

The charismatics have many in their midst that need to take responsibility & accountability for some very misguided, deluded & deceptive behaviours! They need to understand that many of us “see” all that they are masking, hiding & avoiding. Praise be to God, He will let the light in, the truth will prevail & darkness will never overcome the light. “Cover up” culture is being vanquished! All the GLORY will be for God, Amen

@matthewv6210 7 months ago

My family just left a Calvary Chapel church. Some of the main reasons was the ecclesiology and their obsession with politics and Charlie Kirk. I am quite conservative but I don't believe in platforming Republican candidates on a Sunday morning from the pulpit, especially when the individuals don't even attend church there. There is very little to no accountability to the congregation with the Moses model because they also do not have membership. No membership means the congregation has no say in Church decisions and no visible budget to know how funds are spent. Quite convenient for the Moses model.

@disciple2026 7 months ago

John, thank you so much for doing these videos. At first I didn’t like it when you would question “pillars of the faith” that I had followed for many years.
Although I was never in a cult I was for the last 25-30 years greatly influenced by many Word of Faith preachers as I sought healing for my daughter.
I had no idea the history behind this movement or the culture that protected its wolves and their lies.
However, when Robert Morris and the Daystar scandal became public I knew I had to follow the truth wherever it led even if I had to recant much of what I believed.
I have spent the last year and a half going from shocked to scared to angry to sad and finally to walking down a path of healing.
I have apologized to many people for the incorrect things I told them. But the best thing is, I have now gotten reacquainted with the Jesus I once knew as a new believer when it was just me reading my Bible with the Holy Spirit as my teacher.
I imagine there are many people like me in the Church who are being freed by what you and others are doing. To those who are just starting this journey I just want to encourage you that it’s worth all the pain and discomfort you will go through to know the Truth.

@janemcqueen8283 6 months ago

You explained everything so well. I also attended a church with the false doctrine of shepherd worship. The pastor was treated as a god and we could not question him or the ministry. When I left the church, I was ostracized. No one was allowed to talk to me because I was “in rebellion”. It is actually comical when I look back on it. Good thing I stayed true to the Lord!

@leoandolino4668 7 months ago

Idol worship is big and often drives US American Christianity. It’s about the leader and his delivery of his interpretation of the Scripture. Not sure it can ever be stopped.

@lifeisgood1083 7 months ago

“Cover up culture” is a bit of a euphemism for the sin of pride, arrogance and lack of the fear of God.
Why do we continue to select and follow people according to their outward appearance rather than seeking to discern their humility and servanthood to God?

@SuzanneWyss-h3t 7 months ago (edited)

John, if I'm understanding you, I can see how if leaders sin had been dealt with according to the NT standard, a lot of seriously damaging movements may have never existed.
The hero worship elevates a man who holds a position to a place only our Lord Jesus Christ should occupy.
I think I will be processing this podcast for some time.
I appreciate your work. 55:41

@ScottFrye000111222 7 months ago

Bethel Redding is led by false prophets and antichrists. That was the case BEFORE their cover-up of Shawn Bolz.

@jknga5869 7 months ago

Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

@JonHassellProphecy 4 months ago

The Calvary distinctives are heralded by those in that circle, and without going into deep details, the distinctives are flawed, but then I heard in one of the last Pastor Conference that all of the sudden someone's son started to revise the apparent infallible Calvary distinctives, and when I heard that I thought, how is it that they openly admitted that someone's son is revising the distinctives when they've openly been swearing by the distinctives for decades, the inconsistency and division is alarming.

@Robert-n2n1v 6 months ago

I know of a case of Chuck Smith being extremely dishonest. Way back in the early 1990s David Hocking, Pastor of Calvary Church in Santa Ana (not Calvary Chapel). He got involved with his secretary who was the wife of the music minister of the church (not going all the way). They were discovered. Because Calvary Church had no formal way to deal with it. For that reason a committee of 10 prominent southern California Pastors as assembled to hear the evidence and testimonies and then decide on how to deal with it. Chuck Smith was one of the 10 Pastors. All 10 agreed to conform to whatever was decided by the committee. The committee heard the evidence, talked about it and came to the conclusion that Pastor Hocking should be out of the ministry for a year. The next week Chuck Smith hired Hocking to be part of the ministry of Calvary Chapel. He violated what he had promised to do at the start of the process.

@GaryBarbaraRieben 7 months ago

Gosh! It is not cover up culture! It is men refusing to live according to God’s Holy Word and the replacing of personal glory rather than having a passion for the glory of Christ.

@michaelwolfe8888 7 months ago (edited)

I first heard "touch not the Lord's anointed" in the early 1980s from a Calvary Chapel assistant pastor as he was complaining about how some in the Vineyard movement were disparaging Chuck Smith. Though a young Christian at the time I knew enough scripture to be taken aback to hear him so elevate Chuck Smith as an untouchable "anointed." That contributed to my decision to discontinue my attendance at that Calvary Chapel church and look for something more doctrinally sound. Not Vineyard, though, which was/is full of its own flawed notions.

@mmar0043 7 months ago (edited)

We came out of Calvary Chapel Tucson a few years ago after attending and serving for many years. The church is run by family members, close friends and business associates who practice spiritual abuse. They gaslight and ghost people for their own gain. They allowed a child molester to serve in the youth who later was sentenced to life imprisonment. They act very very much like a cult. A direct quote from one of the pastors was, “You were yesterday and they (your children) are now. Our experience is they work to turn your children against the parents. Our experience is that Calvary is part of the coverup culture. The pastor plays into the Moses model - completely.

@elitabarnhart3192 7 months ago

Thanks for sharing your emotions/vulnerability a bit more in this podcast. You've become such a valued voice of clarity for many of us truth-teller/seer-seeker types. While of course your objectivity & focus on facts are essential, it's also encouraging to feel your like- hearted care (born from much pain). So many of us relate to that & are very thankful for your releasing ministry! Truth really does set free, no matter how ugly...