Here’s my stance on Beatrice, I feel sorry for the woman that was emotionally abused by her father and married a bastard husband. I don’t feel sorry for the bitter old woman who took her problems out on her son because of her bullshit.

I always assumed Honey died or was institutionalized after Beatrice got sick, but at Beatrice's debutante ball (27:20) you can see Joseph pull Honey to stand next to him. So not only did Beatrice have to lose her brother and then her mother, her mother's lifeless husk hangs around for the rest of her life as a constant reminder of what happens when women get too attached.

"Because she's your mother"

Is one of the most insensitive and short-sighted things one can ever say

I think it's important to make the distinction between justification and explanation when discussing Beatrice's character. Her past trauma explains her actions, but sure as hell don't justify them

To be fair when Joseph is burning Beatrice’s things and essentially threatening her

the fact that the show has the fires flames surround him  implies that Joseph is intended to be seen as a monster

As a millennial raised by boomer parents, the cigarette scene is dead on. My dad did that to me when he caught me smoking, lol. Luckily, when he wasn't looking I dipped all the tips in water to prevent the cigarettes from lighting and he was so annoyed accusing me "if you can't light them you shouldn't be smoking them" walks over and tries to light them himself, doesn't work, flies into a rage and doesn't talk to me for two weeks.

Check mate 😅

Even though i felt a little bad for Beatrice because of what she went through in her childhood, i don't condone the stuff she did as an adult she neglected her own child that she never wanted I.E. Bojack and she stole another woman's chance to be a mother by taking her child away ipso facto Henrietta and Hollyhock.

22:00 What's really interesting to note is, despite what many people assume, most people who were abused by their parents don't necessarily become abusers themselves, so Beatrice's situation always felt like a worst-case-senerio for me.

Personally, I think Beatrice's issues stemmed less from the abuse directly and more from her father's example of disregarding the feelings of others. Yes, this is abuse, but I mean this exact example he set is what lead Beatrice to be who she is.
Joseph disregarded Honey's grief over her son and had her lobotomized in order to continue to ignore the issue. He disregarded Beatrice's sadness over her baby doll. He disregarded her hard work getting a degree.
In return, Beatrice began to imitate his behavior: She disregarded her father's wants for her to find a husband, she disregarded her own debutante ball to leave with Butterscotch. She disregarded Bojack when the reality of her situation set in, and continued to do this for his entire life.
She was taught to disregard other people's feelings. And that's why she is the way she is.

1) Abuse is still abuse, even if the abuser was/is a victim. 2) Yes, dementia does make a person forget how to do anything. Nothing is in order. It ests the brain until it can't do its job and keep you alive. Then you basically sufficate. 3) in a healthy family, the lucid moments are the worst because for just a little while, they are themselves again. It's like they are a ghost, but still there.4) Great video Kitty.

Free Churro is such an incredible episode. A whole episode that's one monologue and a punchline, but its so captivating and compelling that you don't realize how much time has passed

Another unfortunate case of victim that became the abuser

One thing I liked about this video is that you don't use the 'it was a different time' excuse. Everyone is 'of their time' and it's not an excuse to be a monster.

If Beatrice had told her father she was pregnant first she most likely would’ve been sent to a institution where she would be hidden away for the duration of the pregnancy until they put bojack up for adoption not even letting Beatrice see her and only being sent back once they had “fixed” her body

Happened to someone in my family who had a eerily similar upbringing to Beatrice

I do want to say adding to your point of not getting over a child's death very quickly. It's been over a decade since my aunt passed away and I can tell you my grandmother is still not fully over it. That kind of pain never goes away it just dulls over time as you learn to live with it. Part of the tragedy is that without the lobotomy, Honey would have very likely gotten better to at least some degree as she processed her grief... That timeline was just too inconvenient for her husband sadly.

Great video. I really love how you're able to sympathize with characters while not excusing their actions. It's something that can really easily be forgotten if you let yourself over simplify things and it's nice when content creators acknowledge the full picture.

Beatrice was a feminist during her time eventhough she might not look like it. She acted the way she acted because of abuse from her dad, like the way Bojack acted the way he acted due to abuse from his parents.

Wendie Malick is a global treasure and should be protect at all costs.

A few things. 1) Baby boomers had access to a lot of ephedrine for weight loss in the 1950's that was being marketed as miracle pills for housewives, which is a stimulant not to dissimilar from Adderall. Given that Hollyhock was panicking, anxious, and jittery, the pills were probably laced with ephedrine. Stimulants curb hunger a lot and are really easy to overdose on. Ephedrine is mostly illegal now outside of asthma medication (sort of in a gray area) so weight loss supplements don't include it anymore, which is probably why no one thought to check.

2) Abusers do not create abusers in majority. That's a really bad stigma that gets tossed around as an excuse from abusers to resolve themselves of responsibility for their actions. Many survivors of trauma, myself included, instead develop a strong sense of empathy where we deeply understand the pain that comes along with toxicity and try very very hard not to replicate what our parents did to us. I think I read in college it's somewhere around 30%? That pick up habits from their abusive parents? But I'm also pretty adamant about not perpetuating the abuse of my own mother so it's possible I only sought out articles on Scholar that aligned with what I wanted to hear. I'm sure there's support for both @-@

Also, don't worry about copying other people. Even if its a similar topic, you'll have your own views on the subject and your own supporting arguments, and if you try to avoid everything people have already talked about you'll drive yourself crazy. Don't be afraid to speak your piece~ Your videos are great.

Probably worth noting, something subtle I just noticed or maybe forgot about is that Beatrice only recognizes Bojack after he lashes out and acts really snarky and shitty to her. She's so used to him being an asshole that when she gets dementia, that's what she recognizes as 'her son'. So when he acts nice or tries to act less crappy, it can't be him. It has to be the maid or something because that's someone she thinks would act that way towards her. And because Hollyhock was around the entire time, Bojack kept from acting the way he would normally because even he has enough awareness to reel it back a little in front of his daughter... even if it's JUST a little....

Might be a stretch, but I feel like that adds up a lot and makes a ton of sense, looking back.

I’ve brought it up a few times already, but I’d love to see your take on Moral Orel now that the series has resurged in popularity these past couple of months. It started off as a zany episodic cartoon like what you’d find in early South Park, but then slowly morphed into a existential, serial slice-of-life that some people think could’ve rivaled Bojack if it came out today.

To say their historical representations you have to look at the actual animal history to understand some nuances.

Sugar man is a work horse, one that doesn’t stop on plantations or in personal fields.

Mrs.sugarman is a sick horse. Ones that’s medicated according to the times before being put down.

The brother is a war horse.

Beatrice is a philly her performance she needed to perform was jump tricks.

Secretariat was a race horse. So stereotypes of racing and the expectations of working those horses to death in some cases.

Bojack is a showhorse he’s meant to dance perform infront of cameras do tricks and has to do historically what horses did in Hollywood

And in his perception he’s not existing in that he’s in his world of Hollywoo.

His idols are race horses adored by everyone because of his connection to watching races on tv. He doesn’t fit in with that category.