I know Penny was technically "legal", but she was still victimized, legal doesn't always mean right.

Here's the thing (sorry Herb!). When, or if, Penny watched the Biscuits interview and BoJack revealed the truth about Sarah Lynn, Penny would've remembered when BoJack showed up at her college with Sarah Lynn. She'd connect the dots that the man who tried to groom her had his mits on another vulnerable young woman... who died shortly afterwards. She'd also be traumatised by the fact that if Charlotte hadn't caught them, she could've ended up like Sarah Lynn.

I graduated in 2021, and OUR date rule for prom was no one over 20.

It said it on the paper.

It's important for people to learn about youth liberation so that kids and teens can keep themselves safe from abuse.

Honestly the whole story arc sounds like it was about how Bojack was on TV and gotten use to the Hollywood celebrity lifestyle for so long that he literally doesn’t remember what life is like for so long that he no longer registers how life works for anyone else living anywhere but Hollywood.

a child can not seduce and adult.

what i liked about about this episode is that it shows how bojack hunt for a siticom lifestyle not just hurts im but also the people around him.

ShadyDourag watching this: 😱😶👀

There are a few interesting things related to this that I think are notable.Despite how Horsin Around was ostensibly a kids show , or at least family friendly , the horse could be surprisingly lecherous on the in universe show . In the Christmas special , the Horse seemed to have a flirtatious relationship with his secretary  that is portrayed positively despite the realistically massive power imbalance , in the very special episode the horse objects to helping the elderly man until Ethan mentions the the mans daughter is a bikini model  (  treated like a light joke ) , and an episode where the horse and Olivia saw each other naked ( again treated like a light joke ) . Another commentor (IDK who or what video they mentioned this) mentioned that the episode that BoJack tended to rewatch the most was one where his daughter went to the prom.

Speaking of which , another example of how storifying of life can negatively impact lives comes in the episode Escape From L.A. While Johnny2Cellos did an analysis of this episode that discussed how BoJack seeing the events through a sitcom lens blinded him to the red flags and led to everything but this can also be seen through Penny. Teen TV shows have had a history of romanticizing or at least not strongly condemning relationships between  teachers and students. Growing up penny would have regularly watched these kind of shows or at least caught them on reruns or streaming services .  She would've been exposed to these  programs telling her that forbidden romance is one of the highest forms of romance regardless of exactly why it's forbidden and that anyone who objects or intervenes to that relationship is a pure antagonist and an obstacle in their love story .I think nowadays , those kind of shows try to make it clear how terrible these kinds of relationships are to the audience but recent rectifications can't erase a history of trends . Her bedroom has a poster of Lana/Llama Del Ray , whose songs have romanticized romance with older male partners. The media that she consumed taught her that what she had with BoJack was a love story not a horror movie.

37:03 yes! This is what I absolutely hated about this moment. For all of Diane's pro woman stance, how she was against Uncle Happy and so on she used what happened to a young girl not to hold Bojack accountable, but to hurt him. She weaponized someone else's trauma for her own selfish petty reasons.

I used to think that Penny was just as guilty because a similar thing happened to me where the guy was closer to my age in high school and manipulated me into thinking I wanted it too and I blamed myself so much for it even as an adult I have to remind myself that it wasn't

God this show was still such a cool deep dive into psychology unironically

I think another contributing factor is that a lot of people conflate "protagonist" with "hero".  So when a show like your Helluva Boss's and Bojack Horseman's come around, where the protagonists are NOT supposed to be good people, they still cling to the idea of "they have to be in the right, they're the hero of the story"  and lash out at the characters who "wrong" them.  A great example being people trying to de-victimize Penny such as suggested she should have known better at 17 but the adult in his 40's-50's shouldn't, to a large chunk of the fan base turning on Stolas after Ozzie's, going from accepting him as a deeply flawed character along with Blitzø who will go through character development and slowly get better throughout the show, to woobifying Blitzø and treating Stolas as the worst character in the world to the point of trying to recontextualize the show to say he's a predator that SA'd Blitzø.

me reading the title/thumbnail: OF COURSE SHE IS?! WHOS DEBATING THIS?!
me remembering what show this is/some of the kind of people(let’s be real, it’s mostly men) who watch it: oh, yeah… right… 💀

(to be extra clear, the second bit is not in opposition to the first)

The thing is, i'm pretty sure the whole reason why charlotte said what she said was because she did at one point or another had some type of feelings for a bojack there's no way somebody asks you.If I was single, would you have made a move on me?And that person does not have any feelings or interest in you in my opinion

23:42 the way I always interpreted it was through the lense of trauma/memory. Our memories are inherently subjective, and time and trauma (and therapy) can morph them. Pete has clearly been through some therapy and has dealt with/treated the memory and trauma of Prom and this would have included verbalizing how he felt (in the moment and now). The way I saw it was that Pete now includes part of the insights he gained through therapy into his retelling of the night, possibly exaggerating the exact words/events.
Loved the video, just wanted to share my interpretation :)

Bojack may not have intentionally groomed Penny but that doesn't change the fact that he still hurt Penny in a way that can never be fully healed

Can you imagine if they do a Revival, you know, on which Bojack is in his Mid 70’s?!

I didn't know Mary Kate and Ashley through Full House initially. I knew them as the twins who were "fortunate" enough to have a bunch of movies, shows, and books, and a scary amount of merchandising. It wasn't until I was about eight that I learned about Full House, and that was how the girls had their start in the business. I guess it figures, since that ended the year I was born, and I probably started watching Full House around the time ABC Family and Nick At Nite got the rights to air it.

I worry about how Charlotte and her family handled Penny.  I hope that they understand that she was a victim and didn't just punish and hold her responsible.  I can see that being a reason why Penny would move away from her family.  Basically, she was traumatized first by Bojack.  And, then, traumatized again by being caught her mom and then Charlotte and her husband confront Penny about what Bojack was going to do with Penny.  In their eyes, they probably see it as Penny being reckless.  Sure, Bojack is a piece of shit, but they probably stopped trusting Penny.  

"What were you thinking?!"

I can see why Penny would choose to not live with her parents, especially if that was their reaction to her basically being groomed and nearly coerced into sex.