"We have to locate our righteous fury for whatever it is that brings us great joy and solace or even small joys and solace. We deserve that!"

It's so great to see Naomi Klein on this show. It's just the kind of course refinement team human needs. What needs to be built won't be built by entropy, we need to be doing that building in the breach.

I've watched several interviews with these two as they make the lefty podcast circuit. Well done Doug, this has been my favorite interview with them.

This is EXACTLY the interview I was hoping for when I saw them making the rounds for this book.

I've been giving talks on data centers in Colorado, where people are fighting against them as well. It's amazing to see people of all backgrounds and politics brought together over the defense of their communities.

The plus side of all this destruction and tyranny is that it's also training the resistance to these very things. I think, perhaps, the struggles we are in are necessary for developing a kind of social immune system that can fight against these things in the future. Probably the next few decades, or even centuries, are going to be rough in dealing with the fallout from our many crises, but along the way we're going to continue to grow and adapt. Should we survive, humanity will be become than it's ever been.

Excellent work team!

We can do a general strike, though we don't, to forcefully retake control of the country, but if ai and robots take over enough our strike powers could be removed. They kick the ladder out from under them once civilization has finished training its replacement. Just an idea.

Woah, what's going on here! Friends and allies? Does this get any more liberal than this? No! Apocalyptic authoritarianism, huh? The messed up core of the West nobody wants to... Anyways, woke or no woke, I gotta listen to this. 😎