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Evan Rachel Wood: A Wolf in Wolf's Clothing

Mark Vicente | WTF is on my Mind?!

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Evan Rachel Wood has been through it. The abuse. The smear campaigns. The legal battles. The silencing. And she came out the other side still talking.

We sat down shortly after she watched the latest cut of Narcissist's Playbook, my documentary film that she is featured in, and we didn't hold back. www.narcissistsplaybook.com

The conversation covers how narcissistic abuse actually works at a mechanical level: love bombing, grooming, isolation, gaslighting, and why it doesn't just happen to vulnerable or naive people. It happens because these tactics are designed to hack the human mind, and once you know how to do that, it is extraordinarily dangerous in the wrong hands.

From there we get into the cult-like dynamics that form around narcissistic personalities: the flying monkeys, the loyalty tests, the fawning, and why the people closest to a narcissist will do their bidding just to stay in favor, including going after the very survivors who speak out.

Evan takes us inside the Phoenix Act: what it actually took to change the statute of limitations for domestic violence crimes in California, why the legal system is structurally set up to protect abusers, and what she heard directly from the DA's office that says everything about where we are. She also gets into the smear campaigns, the death threats, the legal weaponization, and the surreal experience of watching other women, including some survivors, be used against her.

There's a hard look at what it means that a film like Narcissist's Playbook has to go around the entire industry to reach people, and what that tells you about the institutions we've been taught to trust.

And then there's the part that will hit closest to home for a lot of people: recovery. What it actually takes to get your self-trust back. To find your intuition again. To know the difference between anxiety, paranoia, and a real deep knowing. And what it feels like to finally be able to breathe.

This is less of an interview and more of a conversation between two people who have both been through it, and who are done pretending the world isn't what it is.

Narcissist's Playbook is available at www.narcissistsplaybook.com

00:00:00 - Introduction & Who Is Mark Vicente
00:03:00 - Meet Evan Rachel Wood
00:03:27 - How Narcissistic Abuse Becomes an Obsession
00:05:00 - Evan's Story: Brian Warner, Marilyn Manson, and the Pattern
00:08:55 - The Trolling, the Inversion, and the Wolf in Wolf's Clothing
00:10:38 - The Cult Dynamic: Flying Monkeys, Loyalty, and the Pat on the Head
00:13:13 - Evan Responds to Narcissist's Playbook
00:17:06 - Love Bombing, Grooming, and the Moment Everything Changed
00:35:32 - Is Anyone Truly Evil? Crossing That Threshold
00:37:47 - Watching the Film and What the Smear Campaign Actually Looked Like
00:40:12 - The Legal System: Corruption, Conspiracy, and Who to Trust
00:43:18 - The Loneliness of Speaking Out
00:45:28 - Finding Justice Through Legislation: The Phoenix Act
00:50:09 - How the Phoenix Act Changed the Law in California
00:53:50 - The DA's Office, the Mountain of Evidence, and the System by Design
01:02:00 - Hollywood as a Narcissistic System
01:10:00 - Coercive Control: There Is No Consent, Only Compliance
01:15:00 - Destroying Your Intuition: How Narcissists Disable the Radar
01:17:44 - Where Evan Puts Her Energy Now
01:19:10 - Freedom Is the Absence of Fear

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20 Comments

@rachellesawyer6523 3 months ago

We don't expect in the beginning someone to be abusive - these types of crimes are an insidious slow burn versus a sudden crime

@CuriousGirl2 3 months ago

I shut down. I became kind of a paralyzed version of myself. Nothing I did was right, of course, and my narcissist made me question and almost abandon my moral values. It's so insidious. Unbelievable to me now- I escaped 13 years ago, and I have never been happier. To all who are suffering, leave, and clarity will come after time. But I know it is not easy. Love, peace.

@NinaKrebbers 4 months ago

I’m also
A survivor of narcissistic abuse, and I became a poster child with straight A’s and got my recognition through being a high achiever. That all came crashing down when I left my 17 year marriage and crawled back out from the shadow patterning of “toxic fawning”.
I was also very vulnerable to spiritual cults after I left my ex husband. It’s so good to hear this info coming out!!
It’s so healing to know it’s all patterning, and not something wrong with me.

@Naomijbean 4 months ago

You've been helping me so much with these videos. I was in a violent marriage during COVID. I escaped with my beloved cat and moved states away. I'm struggling everyday to be in public places after years of abuse. I will survive. 💙

@clvsterfvckofwhatthefvck7981 4 months ago (edited)

The lost innocence is what I find the hardest thing to reconcile along with not being believed and shunned. My entire reality was turned on its head (back then I thought truth and “goodness” always “won”) and I didn’t understand how to move through the world for over a decade.

@looneylobster 2 months ago

" the biggest thing was getting back my intuition and trusting it..." SO TRUE.

@TheNurseWhoLovedMe89 4 months ago

46:35 I heard a female lawyer talk about this on YouTube. Apparently it’s a known thing for SA or DV cases in court that the lawyers will have a preference for men being on the jury because they’ve found female jurors are more likely to have negative feelings towards other female victims. It blew my mind when she said that tbh.

@blessedly4499 3 months ago

One of the most F up things about narcissistic abuse is, you absolutely cannot understand it unless you've lived it, it's like buzzwords to you if you haven't lived it 💔

@ginaberlin5675 2 months ago

For anyone who still doesn’t believe this woman, let it sink in that this was a 38 year old man who pursued an 18 year old girl. He’s a scumbag predator.

@miny_moni 4 months ago (edited)

Being a young, artsy, theater girl lured by older, evil men is alllll too common...

I was 15 w a 35 yr old narcissistic sociopath...

The rampant pedophilia in the Rocky Horror scene is egregious & especially aimed at teenagers desperate for friendship & belonging...

I was old compared to hearing about 11 yr olds being groomed & abused...

Thank you both for speaking about this publicly
Even 20+ yrs later it still haunts me & it's immensely helpful watching your interviews, Mark

Much love & gratitude to you both
💜💜💜

@Ziemziems 2 months ago (edited)

When she said she didn’t think people could be that calculated, it really resonated with me. That was one of the hardest things for me to accept too. Even now, it’s hard to believe how intentional and manipulative some of the behaviors were at the time even though the patterns are so clear looking back. When you don’t have that type of a brain you truly can never understand how other people can feel and think like that I think.

@mayetchells8884 3 months ago

NO such thing as domestic violence; it is TORTURE, ASSAULT, RAPE, MURDER... we have to change the language

@ravenofthewild 3 months ago

I think part of why it's so difficult to keep folks from narcissistic abusers is that the grooming starts when the abused are so young. Before their brains and emotional maturity has developed. Supposedly our brains aren't fully developed until we are at least 25 and many studies believe we may not actually have integrated our emotional intelligence until we are almost 40.
It seems we need to explore the ways we can educate and prepare our youth about these predators without harming their innocence.

@NurseKathie 4 months ago

Just because 18 is the age our society has decided women are legal, doesn't mean 18 year old women are mature enough to understand what they are agreeing to. Women who have experienced this absolutely believe her.

@montanahelton1272 3 months ago (edited)

First of all, I’ve loved Marilyn Manson’s music for a long time. But I will not support someone if I know they’re evil. I have no loyalty, nor should anyone else.
What an amazing and mature interview! I love this so much. I am so happy to see that you are happy and so grounded. There’s a lot of defense out there for him and that’s hard to hear…
I understand on a personal level, my own brother assaulted me and I have very important people in my life defending him in the guise of “forgiveness.” And that’s just a few people, not at all on the level you have to endure.
Thank you, Evan! And I’m sending all the positive vibes and thoughts your way ❤

@Tricialovesblue 4 months ago

Thank you for saying it's ok not to forgive. I've been trying to get people to understand this & they don't get it. It doesn't mean you're life is terrible. It just means somethings are beyond forgiveness. Love from Australia 🇦🇺 💙

@ninasofie2250 4 months ago

Evan and Mark! Thank you for a powerful conversation!!

@astridmcduffee7205 4 months ago (edited)

When we are "in it," we can't see the red flags. Love? Survival mode? Once we process, we can see the red flags, our lack of response, and lack of our own self-respect.

@supera6981 3 months ago (edited)

Alot of times abusive types go by the motto “ you spot a problem, you become a problem.” Sickos love to lurk in shadows and twist truths. Truth telling is often a very lonely space to be.

@aya-salami 4 months ago

OH MY GAOSH! I love that you are doing this interview! I've watched everything with Evan talking about this toxic relationship. She doesn't know how many people she is helping to leave their toxic situation. You are believed and adored. Thank you for speaking out. I wish you so much happiness. I watched her so much when I was leaving mine 3 years ago, this is seriously so cool!