Thanks for watching everyone, and let me know what your list would look like! There are a few moves I'm expecting to see pop up a lot in discussion, some of which I had my reasons for not including. I'll respond to some of the common comments below:

Mario's up tilt: This move is definitely a lot worse than in Smash 4, but some of its dropoff in use also comes from the nerfs to his down throw, which sends people more horizontally than in Smash 4. Down throw combos were a big part of why up tilt was so notorious.

Corrin's Dragon Lance: While this move is definitely worse overall, it did get the ability to properly cancel it (a great buff) and still has a lot of other good uses, not enough of a gap for the list imo.

Sheik's forward air: This one pops up a lot and I'm actually surprised to see it, the Melee variant was certainly ridiculous but it's still a fantastic move in Ultimate.

Insert X throw here: If I allowed throws, this entire video would just be a bunch of Melee and Brawl throws.

Ike's forward air: I don't think the gap is big enough, it's still a giant, fairly safe sword arc that's great in neutral and for edgeguarding, it's just worse at killing from the stage. Does that suck? Yes. Do I wish it still hit like a truck? Yes. But it's ultimately mostly the same tool.

Meta Knight's Dimensional Cape: Yes, I know in Brawl there was a glitch that allowed you to infinitely disappear, but that wasn't legal in competitive play so it's irrelevant to this list, which is based on competitive singles.

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Can't forget about mario's up tilt.
This move used to make you start the game at 40% but now it cant hit even when you are near it.

Maybe Sakurai meant Wario's punch is meant to give more feeling of impact rather than literal strength? That's what the comically sized fist makes me think

Surprised Shiek F-air isn't here. The angle it sends at in Melee gives me nightmares.

In Smash 4, Ryu's Shoryuken (a frame 6 move) was frame 1-6 fully intangible and was transcendent, and was also less laggy. Smash 4 was also the game where Rage was notoriously overtuned

Ultimate Marth dash attack is such an immensely awful move.  Slow startup, very laggy, and is even harder to tipper than his other moves.  Sour spot is so weak that you get punished for hitting it and tipper has zero combo potential and isn't nearly strong enough to compensate for everything mentioned previously.  To me, it sits right next to Yoshi egg roll as a move that you just shouldn't use.

Imagine if Ganon had Wizard's Dropkick AND it gave him back his jump instead of having neither of those things

ZSS down throw was nerfed pretty hard between 4 and Ult. It went from one of her best combo starters into… a pretty worthless throw. Most ZSS players prefer to use f-throw and b-throw now to get positional advantage and start tech chases.

Hearing you talk about smash is really entertaining, so much so that even without a top player perspective, a standard smash ultimate tier list would be interesting! (For me. To watch. Maybe a boring project for you)

Can we talk about how Wizard’s Foot used to not have the sweet spot ON the foot? My friends and I called it Wizard’s Ankle.

Shoulder Bash as Wario’s dash attack makes a lot more sense since it is a RUNNING TACKLE.

But the giant punch is so slow that it’s just MEH… Good shield break punish though!

One notable limitation to the recovery prowess of melee ganon's wizfoot and sm4sh's dropkick is that they aren't reversible, so if you're launched offstage facing away they're effectively no help to you. Still leagues better than ult wizfoot, mind you.

1:56 You actually made that video now

Another good choice is Mario’s up tilt. Infamous in Smash 4. Borderline doesn’t work in Ultimate.

6:47 Fun fact: Fox in Brawl had short hop triple laser that could autocancel in a short hop like in Melee, so it was just as nimble. It was Smash 4 that completely gutted lasers

I yearn desperately for the Ganondorf that is truly new and awesome while not knowing exactly what that would look like in the slightest lol. In other news: I like the facial hair :D

One more thing to add about peach’s down smash in melee: if you were very close up (close enough to get all the hitboxes to land), it would break a full shield uncharged lmao

I also feel like 99% of bayonetta’s moveset could be on here tbh

I didn't know that about ganondorf! it'd be so cool if his down special reset jump, you could do lots of funky stuff with that.

Dedede back air. Used to be one of Dedede's most dominant moves in Brawl, in 4 onwards it's a sluggish worse version of his forward air.

Marth’s DA sour spot should be the scoop and sweet spot be a kill move, think that would be cool