being a tomboy in rural Texas in the 80's, my parents would have absolutely thought of transitioning me, were they given an option to fix their gender non conforming girl. They were so horrified at the thought that I might be gay, they pushed more barbies and more dresses, beauty pageants...I would cut my hair, take off dresses and sit naked in a room until I was allowed to wear pants. Guess what? I am straight, straight as the day is long. I am just a bit butch, and I like comfortable shoes. My husband was a bit feminine, didnt like sports, preferred girls to boys as friends, musical artistic...very straight. We have been happily married for 20 years. I think the thing we miss is, how absolutely shitty being a girl is. Periods, puberty, boobs, the male gaze upon you, society, all of it. That is why I hated girly things, girls had to stay in doors, be quiet, wear uncomfortable clothes. Boys could be loud, stay outside, run around...I just saw the boys had more freedom. If as a 5 year old someone asked me if I wanted to be a boy, i would have said YES!. Part of being an adult is the horror of working it out and finding out how to live in your body. No one tells kids anymore, all these gross feeling you are having, are normal, they will come and go, that most of this stuff you will grow out of.I feel so bad for kids now.

Richard Dawkins has his own podcast channel ??? Frankly speaking best thing for humanity,
What a time to be alive .

"Male and female aren't prizes for effort." This woman is brilliant. 😆

This emotional blackmail is no different from the fundamentalist blackmail about hell. Great that Dawkins to spotted this decades ago.

I cannot overstate how important it is, and how happy I am, that you, an eminent scientist and public figure, are willing to criticise a movement that has become incredibly divisive and highly partisan. When I see many great people embrace uncritically trans rhetoric and so many crazy people go against it, I feel conflicted about my stance on the matter. It feels very comforting to know that there are great, rational minds, and good people that are actually sharing my opinions.

Dear Professor Dawkins, please have a chat with biologist Marie-Luise Vollbrecht : her talk was cancelled at Humboldt(!) University in Berlin because of the topic about the biology of XX and XY chromosomes. She was even hunted by the public service media and discredited as a transphobic "Fish biologist".
Thank you 🌺

Richard Dawkins said these women were brave to speak out.

Prof, so are you. I knew you wouldn't consider keeping quiet seeing such a perversion of science and language. Everybody needs to be brave now.

Children cannot understand the implications of taking puberty-blockers or wrong-sex hormones, and therefore cannot give informed consent to such medical treatments, or indeed irreversible mutilating surgery.
At Nuremberg in 1947, seven doctors were hanged because they had performed medical and surgical treatments on people who were not in a position to give informed consent.
Recommended: U-tube video from the Court of the EDI Jester (Barry Wall) - 'LGBTQI2SA+ Infiltration: How and When?'.

Wow, Helen Joyce, take a Bow. you have to be one of the most articulate, learned and Brilliant women alive.

Thank you Dr. Dawkins for this amazing interview. I absolutely appreciated your guest and her points and agree with you. Lots of respect to you both. ❤

Helen Joyce exemplifies genuine intelligence, not posturing or insisting, but genuinely using her abilities to grip a problem. I really admire her perspective in the conversation: objective and interested in the whole truth of a matter, not merely that which supports a bias of some kind. Great conversation, and hopefully many more can be had.

I sometimes teach at university in the fine arts in the U.S. and had some students struggle with biological differences when working from the life model. Pelvic differences between the sexes were of particular confusion to a few students; there was a clear regard from these students that I was being intolerant and regressive just by acknowledging the biological difference. One of the students dropped the class. As Ms. Joyce illustrates, it is an odd blindsiding to those of us on the Left (and in my case in the arts) to be intrinsically opposed as intolerant for pointing out something as simple as a difference in pelvic angle.
A non-traditionally aged student in the same class was a parent with a child considering transitioning and chided me for not being sensitive enough. I asked her how we could address the skeleton in a fittingly sensitive manner, and she was at a loss.

I am profoundly grateful to Helen Joyce for her stupendous writing, work and exposure of the danger of gender ideology for women, children, education, reality and truth. I'm also glad to see Richard Dawkins throw his hat in the ring.  Helen is so right that this is a profoundly linguistic battle and that we all need to stand firm on insisting on the truth.

"Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality" and how thoroughly does Helen represent reality.
I loved this conversation. Her beautifully rational, intelligent and absolutely correct arguments are so so needed in these times. thank you.

Bingo, Helen Joyce, it’s for the benefit of men. 🎯 It’s the same old shit, different day.

Amazing interview.

Dawkins has always been the textbook definition of "gentleman and scholar". His unwavering commitment to science and truth is needed more now than ever.

This is GOLDEN! Throwback to the days when the people actually had to earn their platforms with intelligence, hard work and experience. Thank you Prof Dawkins and Dr Joyce ❤

For the first time in my relationships with my grown up, intelligent children I am being seen as a bigot and the irony is that neither of them are trans, I feel so pressured to not even voice my own view for fear it will cause a division in my family and I feel very angry that biology is now on a back burner and is being used to judge my intent and my very personality, I fear it's going to get much worse before it gets better, Great discussion here which I very much enjoyed, thank you.