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Fabius Bile is actually one of the most sane and rational Emperor's children marines left in the galaxy. Which says a lot about what kind of state the purple boys are in now.

I can only imagine Magnus slowly backing away as Lorgar having a villain monologue.

In relation to Fabius, he didn't actually clone Fulgrim's soul. The clone he made of Fulgrim unexpectedly had a greater claim to the original Fulgrim, with the soul itself leaving the original Fulgrim and latching onto the Clone. That is what made Clonegrim so perfect, it was a vessel worthy of the soul, effectively making it the true Fulgrim.

I agree with you Wes about how terrifying a zealot is. A mass murdering madman is bad. But one who has absolute faith in his cause and the charisma to bring others to his way of thinking is a nightmare.

Curze's book actually gives great insight into his character
SPOILER


He recognizes that he did all he did because he liked it. Not for justice, not for higher purpose, but because he was a truly sick individual. He hated his legion, not because they didn't follow his teachings, but because they held a mirror to his face. Ironically, his fatalism sprung from his own sense of justice. He saw his death in a vision and sought to see that vision through, because to him, a creature like him deserved nothing better. He's an incredible character study on the dangers of self-hatred.

Damn, Wes getting all philosophical over fanaticism, we need more of that

Lorgar talking to Magnus in Betrayer is by far one of my favourite parts in that book. The way he talks about the warp, about the gods, it’s so insane and yet, inspiring at the same time. Not in a way, yeah I agree, but in a, I can see how and why you’d believe that

I actually had a dream about conrad's ship last night based on a novel where they explain how every inch of the ship was covered in humans that were turned into living furniture. I remember seeing in my dream how a couch contained a still moving human sewed into the material. Walls of moving hands, and faces with still faces of pain and agony. Weather this was a dream that was a manifistation of the flight or fight response is beyond me. All i know is that it was deeply fascinating how my brain could take something i causally listened to on Audible, and recreate it to such an extent it was almost like i was walking on his flagship in reality.

If you want a disturbing character, I suggest The Shrike from the Hyperion Cantos, literally an ancient robot who's only purpose is to inflict endless suffering

Ave Dominus Nox! It’s about time the night lords (and Konrad) were better explained just how terrifying they are.

I'm so glad Fabius Bile gets mentioned on here. He's such a cool yet terrifying character in the lore,especially with him being the only human to study with The Drukhari instead of being the subject of said studies. I'm glad he got some spotlight here!

"The hive mind had consumed far more advanced races than mankind."

That line is utterly chilling.

In regards to the fullgrim clone stuff, it's not so much that he cloned the soul somehow. It just appeared up one day. My guess is his primarch soul was just vibing in the warp, and then he isekai'd himself into... himself. The warp is weird.

I think the saddest thing about Curze "the Night Haunter" is that he and Corvus Corax of the Raven Guard were the two sides of the same coin.
Their forces used verry similar tactics, Stealth, infiltration, strike the enemy from an unexpected position.

The difference is that Cruze bombed his own planet into dust, Corax did everything he could to save his.

I will always be amazed how the Emperor didn’t want his followers to refer to him as a god when he went out of his way to present himself like a god and even called his sons and their sons his “angels”

6:30 is the best description of Reddit that I have ever heard.

I like Lorgar. He was the only Primarch to beat chaos on his plane and replace it with the worshiping of the emperor before he was even found. And then orchestrating the heresy and winding up Horus and watching him go.

God damn. The "Raycon" one got me shaking. Trully most disturbing one