Also, it is believed that the Dark Makers were once allies to the Metal Heads. Hope you enjoy this, I know it's been a while.

I think it would have been more thematically appropriate if Gol took the place of Erol in Jak 3. He could have resurfaced after Haven Palace fell and opened the catacombs. A sage corrupted by dark eco commanding the most powerful beings in the universe who fell victim to the same fate. I think that's more interesting than Erol just being alive and a cyborg.

Playing  Jak and Daxter series is one of the best ways to get into video games, I know that if I ever get any kids, imma have them play this.

Idea for a video- The Wasteland was once a precursor city.

Reason 1- there’s precursor oracles all over the wasteland, probably remnants of the battle between the metals heads and the precursors there, which leads into reason two.

Reason 2- Kor said, “I have seen what metal heads do when they take a city, the destruction, the killing, the devouring”. Who’s to say Kor did not lead an attack on the precursor city in his metal head form eons ago?

Reason 3- the artifacts you pick up from the sand on artifact collecting missions. These are most likely getting dug up from the sand from wind or something. Forgot to mention after the city was taken by the metal heads everything was left in ruin. Without anyone there to keep it up for eons, sand naturally came over time and made the wasteland.

Reason 4- metal heads are found in the desert. These metal heads are most likely offspring dating back to metal heads during the battle.

Reason 5- the precursor monk temple. This was the temple for the precursor city and that’s undeniable. Just look how much precursor stuff is in it. Orbs everywhere, giant oracles, mar doors, mar symbols, precursor catacombs, there’s a lot of precursor stuff. There was a war between the precursors living in the city and metal heads that invaded it, so now it’s just kind of there with some metal heads in it, most likely offspring from the metal heads eons ago.

Sorry for long comment but I thought this was interesting. I will edit this if I remember anymore reasonings.

i legit think that jak went back in time as an adult and faced the "dark makers" when they first arrived to their planet. as well as that jak's real name is "mar" as the founder of haven city. if they just made a jak 4 where he goes back in time as an adult and does all of this, it would be great.

I always thought they were simply "dark ottsels", just like normal Precursors are normal ottsels. The robots we fight in Jak 3 kind of look like classic Precursor stuff corrupted (like you noted, the heads are really similar).

As for the "found the world again" part, they were likely banished in the past/the ottsels managed to somehow make them run away or warp them away, or maybe they left the planet of their own accord after the split with the normal ottsels. The split could have possibly happened due to how far the Dark Precursors wanted to use Dark Eco compared to the normal ones, and that could have possibly corrupted them.

There might even be more than one planet with Precursors on it, and the Dark Makers might be in space and they try to take these planets back, one by one.

I miss this trilogy. Jak and daxter, spyro, battlefront2 was the best i could of asked for as a child with a ps2

This franchise was my obsession in my youth. It keeps me awake at night connecting the series. The quote "there would be more adventures in the future, or the past" implys jak or Mar goes back to the time of precursor legacy to create the Haven City or the city of Mar. I also question, who is Daxter, his origin literally just comes out of nowhere. Does he not have a caretaker is precursor legacy? Why is nobody bothered by his ocelot appearance in any of the games? Would jak be considered the white eco sage?
Also the statues in Mar's tomb, there are 3 older male statues, are these the precursors or the 3 sages from precursors legacy?

If they were brought in today in a new game to finally make them more connected with the real precursors, the ottsels
the whole purple essence around them would be extensions of (purple fur wrapping around the cybernetics on their flesh)that would be interesting art

Personly I acually belive the Dark Makers are LONG gone and all thats left of them is there tech. Thats why we never see any of them, the Ship is simply functioning on automatet systems with Errol in control

Vivi there is speculation that the green star in the precursor legacy are the dark makers making their way to earth light years away. As soon as Jak and the gang went through the portal to the future. The star got closer and closer.

I think that the troopers are organisms made by the dark makers, the blueish parts are their actual flesh and the purple parts are armour. I don't think that they are the actual dark makers because, the dark makers are supposed to be the most powerful beings in the universe but the troopers can be killed with a few bullets or even a spin kick or two, not very powerful if you ask me XD

My headcanon was always that the Dark Makers were ashamed of being cute little ottsels and turned themselves into cyborgs that more closely resembled how the rest of the universe perceived the Precursors. So I figure the troopers and hornets are mostly machines but with some Precursor organs (namely their brains) and blood remaining in order to keep their innate control over eco.

I always saw Jak being able to survive the Dark Eco treatments at the beginning of Jak 2, was because of his ability of channeling Eco (as the blue sage pointed out at the end of Jak & Daxter), also why  Barron Praxis was told "This one would be different" (as told to him by Veger) But because of so much dark eco, its also why he couldn't channel eco like he did in the first game. But now that he's balanced with Light Eco, I think it'd be cool if he got Eco powers along side his gun upgrades if they ever made a Jak 4. Which is the ONE thing I can say I liked about Lost Frontier, is that they brought back his Eco powers. Also the split monsters could be what happens when green and dark Eco combine, like the monsters you fight during the last boss in Jak & Daxter.

I have a theory about Dark Echo. I believe there are two variants of Dark Echo. First we have purified Dark Echo- hence Daxter's transformation into a Precursor. As well as the Dark Echo in the blood of Metal Heads.

Then we have Manufactured Dark Echo- which is echo that has been refined into a more powerful malleable variant. This is where Dark Jak and Dark Makers come in. They were created from and corrupted by this variant of Dark Echo they were exposed to. We also see this as evidenced by Jak 2 and 3 as well as Jak And Daxter The Lost Frontier.

We see for ourselves how this Dark Echo corrupts and twists and destroys all it touches- plants, humans, hybrids, vehicles, etc. For example Dark Jak was created after Baron Praxis tried to extract and corrupt Jak's echo powers. In the end Jak's powers allowed him to live and evolve into a more powerful but unstable form. Which is why he received help to control and harness his new abilities without dying painfully.

We see Metal Heads feeding on and drinking Dark Echo as evidenced by the raid on their nest in Jak 2. When a Metal Head dies they leave behind Skull Gems and the occasional echo orbs. We also see them evolve over time to shoots beams and toxic gasses from their bodies. Most likely this is the Dark Echo they excrete as a defensive and offensive mechanism.

Lastly in Jak And Daxter The Lost Frontier the citizens of Aeropa and their king. We see them as darker more powerful and twisted versions of Dark Jak. But these Dark Warriors are much more unstable and most likely dying due to the process of their transformation. This was something the Dark Echo sage wanted to avoid, but was forced to due.

When Daxter transforms into Dark Daxter, he like Jak is spared his own destruction due to his special echo abilities as well. Daxter becomes a Precursor due to his transformation. This is why Daxter seems smarter and ingenuitive as the games progress. He also seems to have knowledge of how certain echo works, despite him not knowing before.

Daxter also seems to have the ability to absorb and harness echo variants much like Jak. Most likely due to his Precursor DNA. When Daxter is transformed he becomes a Dark Maker, but not fully. He becomes like Jak and retains his personality.

prolly understood well enough at this point, but from my understanding dark eco's purpose seemed to have been to cause rapid mutation to very quickly speed up the process of evolution in order to populate planets that the precursors terraformed with new life.

I think those soldier's where cyborgs, they looked biomechanical. So it is a possibility that where controlled. Now as for the what the Dark Makers look like, didn't Erol call the terraformers Dark Makers. He said, while looking at the terraformers "All of these Dark Makers at my command". I find very interesting.

9:16 when the otsel tells jak that he's the greatest warrior, it leads me to believe that jak and mar are 2 different people

I believe the dark eco kinda needed to be on the planet. I think it's slightly hinted that colored eco is forged from dark eco. Turning chaotic dark eco into usable colored eco. And light eco is just the four colored ecos put together. I mean, it would make sense to gather dark eco into pools tobe processed.

I thought the dark makers were just precursors that made a connection to dark eco