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The Bible's Israel Wasn't What We Thought

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Who was Israel? In this episode of MythVision, Derek Lambert speaks with archaeologist Gad Bar about the origins and evolution of Israelite identity through archaeology and ancient inscriptions.

They examine the earliest references to Israel, the mysterious disappearance of Israel as a clearly identified people in the external record, the relationship between Judeans and Samaritans, the rise of a broader Yahwistic identity, and the importance of Mount Gerizim.

The discussion also explores Yahweh's possible northern origins, ancient naming practices, Samaritan inscriptions from Delos, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and how biblical traditions may reflect later attempts to reconstruct an ancient identity.

Was “Israel” always the same thing? The archaeological evidence suggests the answer is far more complicated.

👉 Dr. Gad Barnea links
Academia - https://haifa.academia.edu/gadbarnea

👉 His new book free open access - https://www.degruyter.com/document/do...

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20 Comments

@DewdropsnMana 8 days ago (edited)

This is fascinating stuff, but please, pretty please, don't interrupt your guest so much. It's so stressful and takes away from their contribution as well as the flow of the conversation.

(*Edit* I believe it's Gnostic Informant who's interrupting a lot; I'm not familiar with the characters as I've only listened to Mythvision once before - and really enjoyed it. Something I'd love for all hosts/people in general to understand; you don't need to constantly prove your intelligence by weighing in on everything said to show you know what is being talked about. It actually subtracts from your EQ and comes across as ego being in control. I am not the host of a podcast/show but I am by no means immune to this and I'm grateful for every time that I realize I'm butting in unnecessarily.)

@larrytennant4209 6 days ago

MythVision did a fantastic job allowing Dr Barnea to speak. Gnostic Informant was arrogant and annoying. I kept muttering stfu as the video played.

@ncarmstron 7 days ago

Great stuff from Dr. Barnea, but all the needless interruptions almost ruined his talk.

@crossbowchris 8 days ago

God bless your ministry [of truth]

@dnkeane30 7 days ago

I absolutely love listening to Gad Barnea discuss his research. Please ask Gnostic Informant to refrain from interrupting so much. I can tell he’s just excited, but it comes off as rude and arrogant sometimes and even Barnea seems like he’s trying to politely hide his annoyance here at points.

@Paula-iq7rm 8 days ago

I love you guys thank you ❤❤❤❤

@ColorMusicTheory 7 days ago

At around the 2:29:50 marker, a Superchat guest raised the issue that a variant spelling of Israel is Yashara-El. According to a paper by (van der Veen et al., 2010), the authors are asserting that the Berlin Statue Pedestal Relief 21687 contains an inscription that appears to contain the Išra-il spelling of Israel which they are dating to the 15th Century B.C.E. In Ebla at 2,400 B.C.E., a theophoric personal name was found spelled Išra-Ilu. Many scholars assert that this spelling represents the oldest attestation of the name Israel as this spelling also occurs in Ugaritic a Millennia later (van der Veen et al., 2010). Other prominent spellings are Išar-il, Išra’il, Ešhar-Il, Yašar-Il, and Yešurūn. These words are thought to derive from the Hebrew root Yashara meaning to be straight, upright, or perfect. Yešurūn (yśr) is the poetic variant of Israel found in Deuteronomy 32:15, 33:5, 33:26, and Micah 2:7 meaning to be upright or righteous (van der Veen et al., 2010).

van der Veen, P., Theis, C., & Görg, M. (2010). Israel in Canaan (long) before Pharaoh Merenptah? A fresh look at Berlin statue pedestal relief 21687. Journal of Ancient Egyptian Interconnections, 2(4), 1–11.

@ShockingRecords 3 days ago

This discussion is for the books!

@fckdpmnky 7 days ago

Interesting

@BrianNeil 7 days ago

Fantastic guys, this is so revealing.😎

@KEFroeschner 3 days ago

Exactly. The Greek IO is a more literal transliteration of 'yod waw,' or its antecedant, Akkadian E.A.

@AScell-j8v 4 days ago

The site says the book isn't there.

@Green.Country.Agroforestry 7 days ago

I think Gad has that backwards ..

Digital downloads and online perusal is not necessary, only convenient.
Get hard copy of everything .. the only reason we have some of this data is because someone took the time to preserve it.

@KEFroeschner 3 days ago

The distinction between the verb tenses "will choose" and "is choosing" is ambiguous in ancient Hebrew.

@smillstill 7 days ago

It just occurred to me, could this Yaovidi/Elvidi king of Hammat have been seen as a god and Yao either emerged as a deity title/name or his name was Yao and became a deity title /name from his standing as a god-king (like the pharaohs).

@JC-vq2cs 7 days ago

'Finding a book (or writings) that is going change everything was a popular literary device anciently' - paraphrasing Dr Barnea @2:38 - and in recent times too obviously. See also Joseph Smith Jr "finding" the gold plates treasure with "reformed Egyptian" text that he "translated" as the Book of Mormon. And it worked! So far.

@adamzandarski8933 7 days ago

Neal was disgustingly hostile and pseudo bullying of me on Twitter, but I still appreciate the conversations. Interesting stuff.

@KEFroeschner 3 days ago

The Hebrew or 'Jewish ' people did not become a cohesively cultural or even ethnic 'thing' until the Maccabean Revolt (ca 240 BCE?) inspired them to believe in their identity as described in the Pentateuch (Torah aka, Old Testament) And that did not happen until Ptolemey II commissioned a consortium of their elders and scholars to write a history of their people and its Laws, (as he did for all of the civilizations under his purview) around 300 -250 BCE. In Alexandria. They got most of there stuff from all of the ancient literature of Macedonia, Hatti, Babylon, Egypt, Greece and so on, from the Great Library there. Just changed names, some details, to make it more endemic to them and their idea of who they were. Or wanted to believe.

@OskarTheKelpieDog 5 days ago

Neil should just interview.........Neil.

@robbinghook3571 7 days ago

Syria means small and Assyria means big.
When the sound A added it becomes the opposite.
Syria also stands for Sur and Assyria stands for Asur.
Here Asur was the base of Asura Mazda (Ahura Mazda).
Sur and Asur were 2 tribal communities lived some 9,000 years ago in present day Sri Lanka.
Sri Lanka is the Eden Garden where the 1st modern human evolved & where Adam's Peak & Adam's bridge exist.
These people migrated to Mesopotamia sometimes after a war while Sumerians migrated from the ancient Maldives before the deluge (11,600 years ago).
The cities in Sumer such as Ur -village, Nippur - another village, Eridu -bull, Uruk - smelt, Nineveh - memory, Zabalam - confusion, Elam - Eelam (Sri Lanka's ancient name).
Ur is village and this word are all over India and in ancient Sumerian, Babylonian & Assyria.
Neve Ur, Ur-Kasdim, Urfa, Urartu (Ararat) Etc.
The rivers Euphrates and Tigris are called Upurate and Shin'ar (from bible).
Purate (Apurate) means outside & Upurate means inside. The river Euphrates define the boundary of Biblical land from outside.
The Apiru came from other side of the Euphrates river therefore they were told to stay outside, Apurathe Iru (Apiru).
Shinar means small river (compared to Euphrates).