Why is Israel so afraid of the film NAZA? We spoke to its directors

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When NAZA premiered at Venice earlier this month, it sent shockwaves across the globe. Composed of interviews with 24 anonymous Israeli intelligence officers and soldiers, NAZA is a haunting exposé of the tools that the Israeli military uses to carry out the remote killing of Palestinians in Gaza – including AI, mass surveillance, and devastating airstrikes that kill civilians and raze homes.
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Now, the Israeli government is treating NAZA like a national security crisis. Benjamin Netanyahu is even pushing for legislation that could strip the film's two directors of their Israeli citizenship. Host Carter Sherman speaks with the directors of NAZA, Yuval Abraham and Rachel Szor, in one of their first interviews with an American journalist. The film, which was produced by the Guardian, will open in New York on September 30th and will play in theaters across the US starting October 9th. It will also stream, for free, on the Guardian website in November.

Read some of the Guardian reporting that NAZA builds on:

‘The Gospel’: how Israel uses AI to select bombing targets in Gaza ► https://www.theguardian.com/world/202...

Revealed: Israeli military creating ChatGPT-like tool using vast collection of Palestinian surveillance data ► https://www.theguardian.com/world/202...

Chapters

​00:00 – Intro
​00:27 – The Guardian’s new documentary, NAZA
​01:30 – What’s in NAZA?
​04:30 – What does NAZA mean?
​07:45 – How the IDF listens into phone calls in Gaza
11:34 – How the IDF uses AI to track Palestinians
15:32 – Conducting interviews with Israeli soldiers in secret
18:37 – How Israeli media talks about Gaza
20:30 – Why Israeli soldiers chose to speak out
22:30 – Do the soldiers feel guilty?
24:00 – How do soldiers become a cog in a machine?
29:26 – Cognitive dissonance in Israeli society and the role of the Israeli left
34:00 – The reaction to the film in Israel
38:50 – Why the film has gotten such strong reactions
40:50 – The way soldiers talk about Gaza versus what it looks like on the ground
44:45 – What Americans should take from the film

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