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Episode 1: I’ll Bring The Chaos & You Help Organize It | Divergent Conversations Podcast

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Have you ever felt like there was some big mystery that you could never solve as to why you acted and thought the way you did?

Maybe you were told that you are neurodivergent but struggle to understand what that means for you.

Do you feel tired of masking and don't know where to find a voice that will speak out, be supportive, and educate about neurodivergence?

This episode is for you.

𝗧𝗼𝗽 𝟯 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗹𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗿𝗲 𝗲𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲:
1. Understand what it means to be autistic and how it can be easily misdiagnosed and misunderstood.
2. Identify the many ways in which autism shows up in a person and its diversity.
3. Understand what it means to mask and how this reflects in and shifts the dynamics of relationships.

In this episode, you'll hear from Dr. Megan Anna Neff, Psychologist, and Patrick Casale, MA, LCMHC, LCAS, 2 Autistic-ADHDer Therapists, and see what this podcast has in store for you.

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𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐤𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐎𝐮𝐫 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐫𝐬: 𝐍𝐞𝐮𝐫𝐨𝐝𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐈𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐬

✨ 𝙉𝙚𝙪𝙧𝙤𝙙𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙜𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙄𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩𝙨 𝘼𝙪𝙩𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙘 𝘽𝙪𝙧𝙣𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙍𝙚𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙘𝙚𝙨
If you want to supplement your learning on burnout, check out Neurodivergent Insights' resources on burnout. We have articles, an Autistic Burnout course, workbooks, and print books! Visit: https://neurodivergentinsights.com/bu...

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💬 𝙅𝙤𝙞𝙣 𝘿𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙜𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝘾𝙤𝙣𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙐𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙜𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙
Divergent Conversations Underground is a space for messy conversations, real connection, and unfinished thoughts in a neurodivergent-affirming community. If you’d like to go deeper with us into more nuanced, searching conversations, join here: https://divergentconversations.substa...

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💻 𝗗𝗿. 𝗠𝗲𝗴𝗮𝗻 𝗔𝗻𝗻𝗮 𝗡𝗲𝗳𝗳’𝘀 𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: https://neurodivergentinsights.com
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10 Comments

@SingingWolf98 3 years ago

My therapist actually recommended this podcast and I. I could cry almost, I feel so seen, hearing these experiences and just YES. YES. 🥺
Thank you for this, already invested and ready to go through the rest of this podcast and explore this more.

@WhimsicalWanderer-d1t 11 months ago

I came here from Dr Neff's appearance on a clearer thinking video. I was grateful for the talk about late diagnosed, men, as recently I have started to feel a bit bothered about some of the other shows I listen to all focusing on women being missed. I think that is good and necessary. As someone one the waiting list for diagnosis, I have come up against a lot of resistance to the fact that I might be Audhd and having some validation that late diagnosed men are often not fitting into any group was nice as I would say I don't have the classic male presentation.

@boneshakerbike 1 year ago

I couldn't sleep so I started with pod #1 ... thanks for all that you do.

@marcrichter9160 11 months ago

You guys are great and I relate to everything you’ve said I’m 58 and I’ve just had two intensive weeks of AuDHD diagnosis. So grateful to be going through this process and not be on my own anymore.

@marcrichter9160 8 months ago (edited)

“ I present to the world autistic, but my process is more ADHD” (Megan) Relatable.

@tracirex 3 years ago

so glad i found you. its very helpful to know other people are very aware that we are going to die, and that it might be coming from a scarcity mindset. thank you both for taking up this time in my limited lifespan.😅

@marcrichter9160 8 months ago (edited)

Very late in life (59 yr old) recently diagnosed, White sis het male here. With a lifelong history of Breakdown burnout confusion about identity and inability to identify why I could not fulfil the high expectations placed upon me by society I was forced to seek diagnosis because my chronic burnout was causing me so many physical and psychological issues. I still feel near the end of the road both physically and psychologically. Having autism informed therapy is helping me with coregulation for the first time in my life though. A tiny light at the end of my tunnel. Hard to manage anxiety though in the current political climate. Trump is just making us all so insecure.

Being brought up autistic by a covert narcissist wired me to be anxious and hyper vigilant. To now have malignant narcissism played out on the global stage is profoundly triggering.

PS. Just seen my own comments from a couple of months ago when I got diagnosed. It’s interesting that I hadn’t realised I’d listened to this podcast before. This is something I’m experiencing a lot these days. The cognitive decline that I’m experiencing through burnout. I’ve been experiencing this gradual loss of functionfor over a decade now but not realised why.

@marcrichter9160 11 months ago (edited)

I know I’m not on my own in being a late diagnosed - I mean really late diagnosed - AuDHD, who also experienced a dysfunctional family growing up and ended up, in Youngian terms, being the stereotypical empath. So all my life I have masked so much that, although my family have labelled me as dysfunctional, when I started to realise that I was autistic it was only then that my sibling group and I started to recognise neurodivergent traits that we all had and that’s been incredibly affirming and bonding and we are now all incredibly close and we are no longer manipulated by my mother.

@KarenCro 1 year ago

This is the first time I've listened to one of your podcasts (or should I say I'm half way through it) and I find it very comprehensive and affirming except for the constant references to "Cis white het men" lingo! I get that there are autistics who identify as lesbian, trans, non-binary, bisexual etc. and that's perfectly fine but I really don't think it's necessary to keep referring to men by their gender or their sexuality by calling them straight white men. Why is this even necessary as opposed to just being called autistic?? It's verbal gymnastics and it's exhausting to listen to. It also makes me feel that as a female (who's straight, which I'm assuming I'd also be referred to as a "cis het female!") it makes me feel like I'm on the periphery of this conversation, like I'm somehow a little bit excluded because I don't fit this particular narrative. It's really not necessary to continually use this language throughout your dialogue. I think most adults can affirm their own sexual preferences by themselves without needing to be coddled!! Just annoying all-round.

@heidiw2458 1 year ago

Pity about this man's swearing - it's pretty intolerable. I hope that he isn't on future ones or doesn't spoil a good topic with swearing. I'll try a little further and hope he lets up.