These so called experts told the public that gazans were dying of starvation and now they are saying that they meant they have no evidence of anyone dying but only of “experience” of starvation. Ridiculous.

Noam. These talks you have are so good. Well done for getting these talks available for us to see. Its a pity most people wont see this. Its amazing how these guys dont understand what  they say have such an impact against Israel and all jews around the world. Your interviews are so fair.  Its great to see. Please keep up the great work. Im an American living in Israel and it just makes me so proud to see American jews care so much as you do.

Infuriating. In summary:
1) Famine level 5 was declared without evidence of deaths for the purpose of possibly preventing something that they had no evidence for what was happening anyway. Even though the IPC model said that level 5 is an indicator of deaths (the worst level of famine) this level of deaths was never reached.
2) Famine isn't just defined as starvation and death, it's also humiliation. (How, exactly, do you measure humiliation?)
3) Data wasn't available. The surveys that were taken were bad. There was little or no visual (photographic) evidence of famine, but the IPC and others declared it just to be safe, then patted themselves on the back when it was determined that it wasn't happening.
4) Another researcher declared that there were 60,000+ famine deaths already (far more than combat deaths) based on bad inference, yet the other famine researchers didn't discredit this person or his methods.

This researcher's continued declarations of "we don't know, we don't have the data" is in direct contrast with "there was famine there". It can't be both.

"it was a reversal not present in any of the famines I've studied"...

BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A FAMINE!

Watching this interview was humiliating. Which means you are causing me to starve. I am now dead. Thanks a lot.

It is almost Kafkaesque to say that the fact that the threat of famine was turned around so quickly just proves the threat of famine.

Noam, you are providing an enormously valuable public service with interviews like this. It’s remarkable how quickly the arguments for “starvation”, “genocide”, etc. immediately crumple under any scrutiny. Keep up the good work.

Noam just want you to know i'm an Australian left wing dude in his 20's that is pretty involved in politics and I'm trying my best to learn as much as I can on this topic so I can help fight against the dangerous antisemitism that is rising on the left and your videos on this topic are some of the best to listen too in between reading books and doing written research, your show is a good way too wind down at the end of the day, thank you.

What would be great is if we had scientists, journalists, politicians, "experts" who aren't activists.

I can't believe that Alex had accused Noam of having a semantic debate, when that was exactly what the debate was! That just drove me insane

When he claims that opening the taps, as he calls it - had no impact on israel's military objectives - he cannot know that.. his proof is that when the US pressured israel they caved. so what? The US also pressured Israel not to go into Raffa - that clearly hampered Israel\s military objectives. So his point doesn't stand up to scrutiny and is not backed by any real knowledge of military goals

When Japan attacked the U.S. there was a lot of concern about the Japanese getting enough micro-nutrients.

Did you ever see a concentration camp with a Mall , Restaurants , beach Resorts.  Yes there were very poor people too like in every country in the world

This guy sure starts stammering quickly when you ask him anything substantive

Noam is waaayyyy too humble. Sharp as knife, but I guess that's his strength, coming from a modest honest place

Good to know that famine includes the humiliation of poverty and is just as meaningless as genocide. When the fact that AI will kill us all within 5 years gets you down it's important to take solace in the little things like the fact that cultural marxist professors poisoning our language will die with us.

He seems to be conflating two concepts...the definition of famine, and the criteria required to declare one, which can be loosened on a case by case basis.

You can't have a famine without the deaths, you can declare one without the evidence of deaths (I.e. lower the evidentiary threshold for declaring a famine), if there is plausible risk, and the evidence isn't available. But that is a completely different thing to saying that some famines have no deaths due to starvation or no malnutrition related deaths.

It's not a misconception. The IPC definition requires three conditions to be met.

Presumably, hypothetically, if it were later discovered that relatively few people actually died of causes related to food insecurity, the IPC would declare their prior classification as a false positive.

Let's be honest, very few people would be splitting hairs over 1.9 or 1.5 per 10,000 deaths. Categorically, there's a difference between what the available evidence suggests in terms of malnutrition related deaths and how the IPC classifies/defines famine.

He lost me when he started talking about what the Jews should feel after the Holocaust, especially with no mention of what they might be feeling after Oct 7.

10:34 - Israel didn't have "a tight control over all the crossings" as it didn't have any control whatsoever at the Rafah Border Crossing, between Egypt and Gaza, until they fought for and captured the Philadelphi Corridor during the war, against the pressure from Biden's admin.

29:40 - "Israel has the capacity to stop the famine at any point, and fast" (paraphrasing). Yeah, it could also have dropped its weapons at any point /s
It certainly had the capability, but since when does having the capability to feed the enemy during wartime is the bar - particularly when there's a border with a neighboring country through which the innocent should be able to flee and seek refuge?
Also, a hard proof is required when alleging intention to starve, or starve by inaction when one attributes the mitigation of starvation solely to supposed pressure from Biden's admin, because indigestion is also a gut feeling.

1:01:35 - Periel is exactly right. To respond with " I don't know if that's true" (regardless of the numerous evidence) is equivalent to saying I don't know if it's true that Hamas controls every aspect of life in Gaza at the point of an AK-47. Answer then how do little girls' bedrooms become RPG depots, and hospitals military headquarters? The entirety of Gaza were human shields by satanic design, bracing for impact. And if you think that outside visitors, be them reporters or survey takers, are allowed by Hamas to free roam, freely collect data or reach their own objective conclusions then think again.  

A tiny correction - just because the IDF didn't bother to keep accurate count of non-combatant casualties, making Israelis look like fools, hands in their pockets when challenged on the matter, doesn't by default make Hamas' numbers accurate. It just means Bibi had nothing better to work with in interviews.


Excellent conversation, thank you.

This guy obviously has an agenda he needs to defend to keep his cushy job.

Immediately starts to weasel around the “protein” without any evidence because it’s BS. People in Gaza ate much better than most Americans and you would be hard pressed to find pictures of Gazans, even now, that look malnourished in any way.

“Unprecedented child malnutrition” - this from someone who studied Sudan and Yemen. Just ridiculous.

“Famine is not just dying of starvation” so having close to zero starvation deaths doesn’t disprove famine. just. Wow.

“Children are more susceptible” but actually “more adults died of malnutrition”. Ridiculous weaseling

And finally - “famine is a social effect” and not “biological” and then compares to Warsaw ghetto and rape. What a lowlife.