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Chapter 12: The Patronus | Prisoner of Azkaban

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Join J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 12 of the Prisoner of Azkaban and discuss Harry missing the Firebolt, Oliver Wood’s villany, Sirius getting the broom, Fire Salamanders, the Patronus lesson, James and Lupins’ friendship, Harry’s understanding of death, The Dementor’s Kiss, and the trio ALMOST making up.

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20 Comments

@thirteenthandy 2 years ago

One thought about Harry vs Lupin teaching the Patronus Charm: Harry trained against the terror of a Boggart-as-Dementor under Lupin's instruction and never had a problem bringing his Patronus forth when facing real Dementors later. Hermione trained in a stress-free classroom under Harry's instruction and it's one of the only spells she ever had a problem getting to work when it mattered as Harry commented on during the battle at the Ministry. Given this, I have to think Lupin had a reason for how he chose to teach it. The purpose is to repel Dementors, not just to produce a cool looking animal to admire.

@seancochran6108 2 years ago

The professors are just test driving the fire bolt the entire time

@theharoldsshow 2 years ago (edited)

Technically Lavender’s life line would be longer than Harry’s because he was born so late into the school year that he is 17 when he dies, rather than 18, which is how old Lavender is

@ColemanMulkerin 2 years ago

As someone who agrees Harry should have been a Teacher, I choose to believe that he did end up teaching after a 20-30 year career as an Auror. Wizards live long enough.

It allows him to have more adventures and hone his skills and then have a more peaceful existence later in life. Though I do like the idea of a Teacher Harry going off on occasional adventures like Indiana Jones.

@cptjeff1 2 years ago

Guys, Myrtle and Nick are both dead. Nick is just saying his soul didn't get the full experience of death and the final passage into the beyond, but trying to explain that in approachable terms. The ax still killed him and Voldy still killed Myrtle.

Also, we know that Hornby lived because Myrtle tells us she got a restraining order against Myrtle after Myrtle went just ever so slightly overboard. Myrtle never got a chance to grow up and get an adult perspective on teenage crap, I guess.

@jordanpotter258 2 years ago

For the "Can Myrtle count for making a horcrux?" question, I think the act of making a soul leave a body; whether truly killing, or they choose to be a ghost; would rip your soul, and you could make a horcrux.

@igorsviben611 2 years ago

They checked The Firebolt for curses in about 5 minutes, and the rest of the time they were just flying it.
We are talking about McGonagall and Flitwick, they are competent enough to sort it out fast and easy.
They are also big fans of Quiddich and flying and like everybody else they were probably drooling over the Firebolt (in a dignified way)
Nothing can convince me that this wasn't how it went

@KingOfMelos 2 years ago (edited)

Thought, Peter probably saw Crookshanks take the passwords from Neville's bed side. He might've seen Crookshanks interact with Sirius' animagus form during the night and realized that it's time to relocate because it was only a matter of time before Sirius would break in. That's why he chose this particular time to fake his death again

@lilpiper1234 2 years ago (edited)

I always assumed Lupin taught Harry that way because accessing happy memories is harder when under dementor effects and Harry plans to potentially use the patronus very soon against actual dementors. So him knowing how to do it without the dementors is less conducive to learning very fast. With the DA they didn’t expect dementors at school so they could take it slower.

@CrazyMuggleGirl 2 years ago

I always thought the twisted smile in regards to the Dementor’s Kiss was merely Lupin scoffing a little at the cutesy kiss part of it when it’s nothing like a kiss. It’s a misnomer for what actually occurs. So he’s just kind of chuckling at the sick dark irony of the naming itself.

@Soldier_Arkham 2 years ago

In defense of Lupin's teaching method here, I shall quote Peter B. Parker. "Everybody knows that the best way to learn is under intense, life-threatening pressure. "

@thirteenthandy 2 years ago

I wonder how accurate Muggle Studies class is. It seems like it would be super rare for any muggle-born to attend, so I can picture Hermione constantly struggling with whether to give the "right answer" as taught in the class or giving the "correct answer" and contradicting the teacher.

@GrantDolanMusic 2 years ago

My head cannon is that there is only 8 Gryffindors Harry’s year due to the war, but there is at least twice as many Slytherins. This is why a lot of their classes are shared with Slytherin to balance out the class size.

@aryadne2004 2 years ago

In case anyone wanted to cry, I would just like to remind everyone that, out of all of the Marauders, Peter was the one who got to spend the most time with Harry.

@monsecarpediem 1 year ago (edited)

56:20 I also think the fact that it is Ron who's paying attention the most to Hermione's schedule is an early sign that he likes her. He just doesn't know that so neither do we as an audience

@ClayCowboy 2 years ago (edited)

Yes, I think the smile on Lupin’s Face at “Dementor’s Kiss” is over the irony of the name. The sweet and loving sounding word for a vile depression monster ripping your soul out of your mouth.

@caleblefevre3675 2 years ago

Nick became a ghost because he was afraid of moving on. That’s why he said Sirius would never become a ghost

@keithschnipke2919 2 years ago

I like to think Lupin was looking in Filtch's filing cabinet to see if he could recover the Marauders Map. Then he can keep an eye on the castle and grounds for Sirius. Trying to see him entering the castle. Circle back to earlier when Fred and George say they took it from a cabinet..

@boilerfan18 2 years ago

I always assumed the reason the boggart dementor made Harry hear his parents was because it’s the experience of fear Harry is afraid of, not just the appearance of a dementor.