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Ta-Nehisi Coates: Obama’s Legacy in a Trump World | Bulwark Podcast

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Obama never thought Trump could win in 2016, perhaps because he underestimated how much the opposition loathed him. At the opening of his new presidential center on Thursday, he spoke of presidents acting with duty, honor, and kindness—even though the current occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is all about destroying things, being mean, hurting people, and starting dumb wars. Indeed, Trump's foreign policy may be more in the American tradition than Obama's. Plus, a debate over whether Kamala's response to Gaza cost her the White House along with her standing in the party. Also, some Knicks love and another installment in the perils and pitfalls of wokeness—this time with some Talarico comments from 2020.

Ta-Nehisi Coates joins Tim Miller for the Juneteenth holiday weekend pod.

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Show Notes:
Ta-Nehisi's latest piece in Vanity Fair: https://www.vanityfair.com/story/the-...

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Chapters:
00:00:00 Cold Open
00:00:19 Opening and Obama Library Reflections
00:04:16 Obama’s Blind Spot on Trump
00:06:49 Obama, Romney, and Republican Values
00:11:57 Ad Break - Dupe.com
00:14:37 Foreign Policy and American Power
00:24:22 Gaza, Politics, and Moral Responsibility
00:37:15 Can American Politics Get Better?
00:43:44 Woke Politics and Political Messaging
00:53:14 Communicating Across Divides

20 Comments

@hangemfortre45on18 3 months ago

When the nominee for the Republican party is the person that challenged the nationality of the first African American President - The blatant racism should have been seen as a five alarm fire.

@rainee47 3 months ago

This conversation was one of the most valuable you have done, Tim.

@Rubygirl59 3 months ago

The ACA saved me. I would have been uninsured for close to 10 years.

@terryhutchings7701 3 months ago

The Republican Party hated the fact that a black man was President so much, they set out to destroy the entire country. They would rather see every American suffer, than a black President succeed. That is some serious racism!

@HollyHold 3 months ago

Obama had more faith, in 2016, in the FBI firector and the American people than either deserved.

@robertpearson5410 3 months ago

That's true about the hate some republicans had for Obama. My sister, a right wing evangelical, says he was the worst president in US history. It comes from 40 years of Moral Majority type propaganda.

@AZbluedot196 3 months ago

To make our government work for us.....
GET THE MONEY OUT!!!

@sswwooppee 3 months ago

Ta-Nehisi Coates’ way of not participating in comforting lies is something I appreciate.

@wretchedknave1133 3 months ago

I think I get it. Barack Obama's lofty ideals can only be realized when both sides of politics are committed to the greater good. Republicans have demonstrated time and time again that they most definitely are not.

@aakelly03 3 months ago

thanks for having Ta-Nehisi on

@MikeW_is_entertained 3 months ago

A Tim Miller, Barack Obama conversation would be epic. Tim’s interview style is perfect for someone with intelligence, but also a sense of humor.

@pamelaponi3529 3 months ago (edited)

The 8 years of Trump have made it very clear that white supremacy and white Christian nationalism are the two things we will be fighting against for the foreseeable future, and those of us that didn't believe racism was still a problem have been totally disabused of that. The Heritage foundation has desecrated our Federal agencies and most of what FDR put in place in the New Deal. Had our country not been breathing the air of white supremacy, Barack Obama would've accomplished much more.

@LisaWright-j9t3f 3 months ago

I miss the Obama’s. They were so sane!

@happily_deranged 3 months ago

I don't care at all about sports but that Mamdani speech was fire.

@SpayandNeuterYourPets 3 months ago

Obama believes in the best version of what the US could be. He’s very inspirational and I miss his presidential voice.

@pizmotality8136 3 months ago

I will always love Obama relative to the other White House occupants, but it’s important to remember that he committed war crimes, just like every other president.

@CHINAPIE123 3 months ago

I think Talarico was saying that when you're white, white people aren't racist against you and you're only safe because of skin color. Now that he's running for the US Senate, he's finding out all the aspects beyond skin color people can use as weapons against you whether they're true or not.