I find Kung Fu Panda 4 to be sad since the co-director really did want the film to be more true to the first two but was ignored by the other director who wanted a more jokey tone and unfortunately had more creative control.

Apparently all the budget went to Puss in Boots 2, because both the movies put after that were dissapointing.

Kung Fu Panda 4 could've worked if they dropped Zhen and made it about Po and Tai Lung being forced to work together. The Chameleon succeeds to reviving Tai Lung prior to getting Po's staff, drains some of his power but finds she can't do more than that without the staff, Tai Lung is forced to go to Po for help and in turn they need to work together to fight the Chameleon and her army, while Tai Lung is forced to not only deal with being powerless for change but also confront his past mistakes with Tigress and Shifu, ultimately achieving Inner Peace and accepting he was never meant to be the Dragon Warrior, thus proving he can change and proving Po is a capable Teacher.

Dreamworks is the example of 1 Step forward 2 Steps back 😢

While I do still respect dreamworks more than modern disney (for a variety of reasons) seeing them fumble one of their greatest strengths in an undercooked, confusing way is just depressing to see

The worst thing the Chameleon does in KFP 4 is shove a guy down the stairs…

I felt more disrespected by megamind the doom syndicate because it's not just a TV movie but the official sequel.

One thing I'd like to point out: her name as far as I can tell is just "The Chameleon". All the other villains have names. Tai Lung, Lord Shen, Kai, all of them had thought out personalities, none of them were just generic bad guys with no thought, they all had NAMES. Except the Chameleon. She's just the Chameleon, she's just the bad guy because we need a bad guy

You know what's sad? That this movie could've been good. It's seeing the Wish concept arts all over again. Stephanie Stein was called a "nobody" and had almost no creative control but she wanted good things like Shifu getting to say a proper goodbye to Tai Lung.

A villain like Chameleon actually holds great potential,shapeshifters can be actually rather terrifying when used correctly. But she ends up being bottom of the barrel when it comes to antagonists,especially DreamWorks antagonists...

How the hell did Cars 3 did more of an effort into a storyline about coming to terms with change and aging to welcome the new generation

Dreamworks is like a roller coaster, sometimes we love it, sometimes we hate it

I like to think this whole thing was just an excuse for JS to dunk on Awkwafina

There is a reason why the saying “The rule of Threes” is used. It is good for 3… but NOT 4

Ya know, Kung Fu Panda 3 felt bit strange to me, so going into 4, I knew shit will hit the fan.

I wasnt prepared for the Turbine

can we all agree that the best thing that came out of kung fu panda 4 was jack black's cover of' baby hit me one more time'

One thing about Dreamworks is that they are consistently inconsistent. But that doesn’t happen unless you take actual risks instead of playing it safe.

If I'm not mistaken, Jack Black said 4 was his favorite Kung Fu Panda movie.

A good reminder that sometimes you've gotta accept that people you love are capable of being wrong.

Kitty shaving Puss's beard is a great callback to the first movie. Because the arc of the first one is Kitty struggling because she was declawed and unable to get a blade. Puss has a stick sword and needs a blade to shave.

One cool thing that I thought about for the Chameleon as a villain or how it could work was give the idea of trying to be the best kung fu master by proxy of gathering the strongest attacks carrying the philosophy of being the strongest by taking all the strongest techniques of a previous master without understanding what makes the moves work in relation to their master. Then Use Po as a seasoned kung fu fighter with the experience he has of the 3 movies under his belt to defeat the chameleon in a way only Po would know how with his techniques completely unique to him. Of course that would require more thought that Dreamworks execs would allow the creatives to use.

predictable is EXACTLY the word to describe this, you can predict the entire plot just by looking at the trailer

I'm definitely disappointed with how Kung Fu Panda 4 and especially Megamind vs the Doom Syndicate turned out because DreamWorks used to kill it with sequels. That was the one thing they had over just about every other animation studio. Not even Disney/Pixar could make multiple sequels that are just as in not better than the first film aside from like Toy Story.