Let's not forget Jack Kirby's proto FF comic at DC,  Challengers of the Unknown.

On 'The Origin of Marvel Comics', Lee acknowledged that Kirby created "The Silver Surfer"

I think one of the most important things to look at is the other works both had done independent of the other and it's fairly easy to see that FF was really not just one or the other. Rather, it was a blending of the two's styles.

I would love to see the video hinted at about Sky Masters - it is a brilliant work overall and would love to know more.

Great video! The FF is my favorite Marvel superteam. I always thought it was a collaborate effort between Kirby and Lee , myself. Too bad they had a falling out.

You didn't say anything about the Challengers of the Unknown, or the similarities between their origin story and that of the Fantastic Four.

Thank you for including that dramatic reenactment. I felt like I was there on the green with them.

Strange you didn't mention Kirby's 'Challengers of the Unknown'... obviously the template for the Fantastic Four... appearing a few years before and NOTHING to do with Stanley!! Hmmm...

I think in all honesty neither would be as big or important in this field without one another, it’s kind of like Lennon & McCartney they collaborated very well & made history. In diff eras of comics sometimes art is looked at more important ie 90s than writings in the 2000s but once Lee & Kirby were introducing all these characters in just gelled perfectly

Personally I'm perfectly happy to consider the FF to be a result of collaboration. It's not like they were fully-formed from the get-go. They were developed over time by teams, of which the Lee/Kirby team was the original. Most of the old-time heroes weren't really created in some kind of permanent form; most changed and grew over time with contributions from several artists.
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almost 17 min to answer a question with "depends" ITV

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That old Marvel method sure was weird and unconventional. It does kinda maximize the artist's input and ability to improvise. It's a stark contrast to guys like Alan Moore whose scripts are so detailed it could be made a novel

One trend that is noticeable is how Stan Lee would take a pre-existing golden age character and use it as a template for his current work. The Human Torch is a prime example of this. It should also be mentioned that more than likely  Mister Fantastic's powers were inspired by Jack Cole's Plastic Man.

Great topic, Kirby’s art is what got me hooked back in March 1963 with the Hulk on cover...... love to see a video on original comic art

It just seems ridiculous to ascribe all the credit to either Lee or to Kirby.  They both contributed to some degree, even if it's not clear to what degree.  If you just look at the finished product, it's rather peculiar in a way.  If Goodman told Stan to create a superhero team, why didn't Stan revive The All-Winners Squad, which Timely had briefly published back in the 1940s?  It had their most popular characters from back then: Captain America, The Human Torch, and Namor the Submariner, plus Whizzer and Lady Liberty.  That would have been much more like The Justice League of America.  

Except for the revised version of the Human Torch, there's little to connect the FF to AWS.  Instead the FF look more like a combination of Kirby's Challengers of the Unknown and the monster/alien stories that Atlas had been putting out just before the FF began.  Note, for example, that the characters don't even appear in costumes until the third issue.  Before that, the covers made it look like the Fantastic Four was just another monster mag. To me, it seems like something of a miracle that the FF became a big hit.

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When the video put Stan and Jack over the FF we can see Jack is Ben and Stan is Reed! Wow!

Kirby: 80%
Lee: 20%