Michael Heiser: How we got the Old Testament
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On a previous episode, Mike interview Rick Brannan on how we go the New Testament Testament and why conspiratorial ideas about the Greek New Testament are bogus. In this episode the Old Testament gets equal time. Mike overviews how the OT books were composed, edited, received, transmitted by scribes, and published to the present day (with a little Dead Sea Scrolls conspiracy debunking along the way).
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@skeeterburke 7 years ago
THIS is the info I have been looking for. You have no idea how many videos I have listened to about history without the info I have needed
@scottmercer86 3 years ago
This is absolutely brilliant. Between Heiser and Dan Wallace I’ve learned so much that makes sense about how we got our bible. Thank you!
@kennethsandler7190 2 years ago
I understood that the Dead Sea Scrolls are mostly congruent with the Masoretic text -- with some variations but not a lot.
@JamesDavis-dn3wo 2 years ago
This is fascinating. I have learned some things that makes sense out of what made no sense.
@tinahenry3814 9 years ago (edited)
Thank you for putting this up on the tube... great stuff!!! God is enough<<<
@canadiankewldude 8 years ago
Scripture Numbers 6:24–26 in Paleo Hebrew, written on the Silver Scroll Amulets from Ketef Hinnom have been proven to be pre Babylon exile date. Copies of originals, writing styles that could have been written as early as 1500 B.C. Which fits.
@jebatponderworthy 2 years ago
Michael, I'll suggest you look again at that word "genizah". A genizah is not simply a hiding place: it is a place where any writing with the Name of God outright, was to be buried, similar to a human grave, when the document was worn out. So we have a very mixed bag in any old genizah. We have practice work by scribe students. We have much deviant material, which even though it was considered deviant, still it had the Name of God full in writing, so it was not to be burned. Much modern scholarship seems to ignore this, but it is a very important part of the whole, because it means that regardless of age and preservation, there was a hierarchy of considered worth in any genizah, that hierarchy now being almost completely lost, because the administrators of the genizah not only left little besides it, but changed significantly over time.
@kennethheady 4 years ago
t there books found at the dead sea that they thought were orignally written in greek that were written in hebrew?
@ATLockhart 5 years ago (edited)
Overall, this is very good treatment of the subject matter, and very well summed up at 28:20 when he talks about all of the processes that go into creating the final form of scripture. As he says, "it wasn't just dictated, it didn't just drop from heaven..." We would do well to come to scripture and the study thereof with a realistic, eyes wide open approach.
With that said, Heiser makes some significant missteps in regard to canon here. Namely:
By stating that by the time of Jesus and the apostles that the Jewish community had a Bible (far from the truth - at this time, there were a full five different collections of the Hebrew Bible)
That the Pharisaical Canon was representative of the entire Jewish community (it was not, it was only the Canon of the sect that survived the Jewish wars of 70 and 135)
That the LXX was only utilized because of the growth of the church to include Gentiles (it was the Bible of the Jewish diaspora, and was utilized by the Jewish authors of the NT, thus utilized by the church that followed).
That the Song of Solomon 1) is absolutely not referring to Christ and the church, and 2, that this is a modern invention. It is, in fact, one of the most ancient interpretations of the Christian church, and a very good one when understood rightly.
With that said, Heiser makes some significant missteps in regard to canon here. Namely:
By stating that by the time of Jesus and the apostles that the Jewish community had a Bible (far from the truth - at this time, there were a full five different collections of the Hebrew Bible)
That the Pharisaical Canon was representative of the entire Jewish community (it was not, it was only the Canon of the sect that survived the Jewish wars of 70 and 135)
That the LXX was only utilized because of the growth of the church to include Gentiles (it was the Bible of the Jewish diaspora, and was utilized by the Jewish authors of the NT, thus utilized by the church that followed).
That the Song of Solomon 1) is absolutely not referring to Christ and the church, and 2, that this is a modern invention. It is, in fact, one of the most ancient interpretations of the Christian church, and a very good one when understood rightly.
Michael Heiser: How we got the Old Testament
ssoreal
22,366 views
On a previous episode, Mike interview Rick Brannan on how we go the New Testament Testament and why conspiratorial ideas about the Greek New Testament are bogus. In this episode the Old Testament gets equal time. Mike overviews how the OT books were composed, edited, received, transmitted by scribes, and published to the present day (with a little Dead Sea Scrolls conspiracy debunking along the way).
So Yes, they do believe the Biblical books simply dropped from Heaven. As a born again Christian myself, Im insulted by their ignorance and the accusations that I "dont believe what the Bible says".