Honestly Hayden being human at first and becoming a robot to cheat death is infinitely more cool to me then him being a generic angel. Like him and the seraphim should of been completely separate.

I genuinely dont think hayden wants to make money

I mean he is basically the most powerfull person on the entire solar system and the CEO of the biggest company to have ever existed yet his actions never screamed "i put profit first"

Like he says in the end of 2016 "i have no choice without argent it WILL be worse"

I think he genuinely wants to save humanity from itself even if his vision for how to do it is miss guided

When I was on the last bit of Eternal I fully expected Samuel to hijack my ship for his own nefarious purposes because he had been set up as so untrustworthy. But nope, he's chill with just being VEGA 2.0

I know this video is kinda old, but you misunderstood many things, Hayden/Samur didn't provoke Hell's invasion on earth and if he was extracting energy from Mars wasn't because he wanted more money, he isn't even the owner of the whole UAC, he did it because he knew that the earth needs the energy for their survival, and it was Olivia the one who was willing to sacrifice all the UAC personnel for her own gain causing the events of 2016 and she would have been successful if he hasn't spent so much time preparing for this scenario. He might not have humanity's best interest in mind since it was all part of a bigger conspiracy, but ultimately, I can't see his course of action as morally wrong or unjustified giving the context.

really 2016 does everything well and eternal nails perfectly the music gameplay but eternal story feels so rushed

Everytime someone says the story in Eternal doesn't matter, all I can think about is the unskippable dialogue Samuel has just talking about fun facts about Hell for TWO MISSIONS

Bro how is he "fine" with his employs becoming demons? That was Olivia who did and he was verbally and adamantly upset.  Also its not "profit first" its "Not let the entire world hit fan because of the energy grid crashing"  first.

I think you've missed the point of Samuel's character.

Samuel's protests over the destruction of argent energy not out of greed, but necessity; as he states, the world was falling apart without the resources Argent provided and knew that Doomguy's actions would cause great suffering.

Samuel was callous, yes, but there a method to his madness. Unlike the board, which was greedy, and Olivia who was power-hungry, Samuel believed in the cause of the UAC; using argent energy to enrich and advance human life.

Despite Samuel's rancor from the destruction of the facility, Samuel is nonetheless polite and incredibly helpful, even sounding hyped when Doomguy returned from hell.

Samuel should have stayed human (relatively speaking), because it would have given the humans of Eternal's world a face and a voice; we only see characters from Doomguy's world talking and moving the plot forward.



Samuel, like he said, is not the villain of the story; the Demons are. The Ancient Gods (and in extension, Eternal) damaged his character by revealing him to be the Seraphim, Samur.

I reject Samuel Hayden as being some trash angel. I prefer him as a badass human that fucked the status quo.
And I'm a misanthropist.

I remember being VERY exited to see Hayden in Eternal. Is he happy VEGA survived? Is he regretful that his Argent search led to Earth’s invasion?

But we get no emotion or arc at all. He’s just VEGA 2.

Samuel tries to save humanity from economic collapse and doesn't see demons as a threat. One can't kill porverty and hunger.

Doomguy tries to save humanity from demons and doesn't see energy crisis as a threat. One can live in poverty and hunger

I kind of feel the same but I'm not the villain in this story.

In 2016 he was a man that was trying to give the cleanest and most powerful form of energy to humanity to erase poverty. He wanted it "for the good of humanity" so that we wouldn't have an energy/resource crisis. He was willing to accept casualties in the pursuit of energy because he thought that providing for mankind was more important than losses occurred during production.
Then in Eternal he says one good line "You can't just blow a hole in the surface of Mars!" and the rest is Doom wiki.
Him being the Seraphim isn't even a good twist, and the hype around the game and rampant Doom theory vids on Youtube basically seeded the idea in most fans' heads anyway - so a lot of us already expected it to happen. Now if he based his robot frame on the Seraphim, or injected himself with Seraphim DNA like some kind of Bioshock/Resident Evil attempt to upgrade himself, that would've been better - and maybe the Seraphim takes over afterwards. Maybe he could've been involved with the Dark Lords of hell or something and slowly become possessed, leading to him going crazy in Eternal and later in the TAG 1 & TAG 2 DLC campaigns.

I came up with a fix to Samuel/Samur years ago.

Samuel discovered the tomb containing Samur, and The Father's consciousness.

It's established by The Father's story and existence that you can separate a being into 3 parts, their body, their soul, and their mind. (Oh my god why is so much of Doom lore identical to Kingdom Hearts???)

Samuel was possessed by Samur's mind when he came into contact with his body, becoming a host for him to enact his will through.

Samur gradually begins overtaking Samuel, who isn't aware of his presence in his mind, as he rises through the ranks in the UAC, Samur's knowledge and intellect giving them a distinct advantage.

Samuel's human brain cannot fully contain Samur's mind, thus resulting in his brain cancer.

Samur then influences Samuel to come up with the idea to create a synthetic body, suspiciously similar in design to Samur's original Maykr body.

Over the course their time in this new body, Samur takes over even more of Samuel's personality, making him perceive thoughts that Samur came up with as his own.

In the time between 2016 and Eternal, Samur takes over completely, explaining the complete shift in his demeanor and way of speaking when you meet with him again.

Instead of retrieving the "Seraphim's Key" in UAC Atlantica, you retrieve Samur's Soul Sphere.

Once he has both his soul and body back, he abandons his living human disguise completely.

This would then open up the opportunity for Samuel himself to return in the future, now separated from Samur, who probably didn't expect his consciousness to have survived throughout the whole ordeal.

Samuel wouldn't be too pleased about having his life literally stolen, and not having any achievements to his name that were actually his own, leading to him likely allying with The Slayer for the sake of getting revenge, and potentially making something with his life on his own terms, with his own skills, with his own intellect.

Self control and agency over your own existence, no longer being a puppet for someone else's machinations, this would be the throughline that would tie Samuel Hayden and the Doom Slayer together.

i desperately need an alternate timeline where Doom Eternal was closer to 2016's aesthetic and lore ( i have 400 hours in doom eternal )

I was confused with Eternals dlc, 2016 says he was a human who has brain cancer who had his brain put in a robot but then he's an alien

Painfully underrated channel

It does suck that they ruined Hayden. my favorite character.

He was so mysterious in DOOM 2016 and now he is sus

Great video

To me Hayden is someone who’s goals align with the Doom Slayer but uses simpler methods when it suits him regardless of consequences that don’t affect him directly.  When he has the argent spewing crucible on earth he will say what he really thinks about the process that makes it. When he spews out exposition left and right and then says that taking the crucible blade will awaken the titan it means “take the damn sword and let the thing do what it wants” since he gives no alternatives. He only brings back the Slayer in 2016 when things have get out of hand.

Hayden to me only has issues with the Slayer because of their difference in methods. I wish they brought him back in the second dlc to help you after seeing an enlightened Vega agreeing with your methods.