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I also don't get why Astruc thinks Chloe is irredeemable when we have a character like Lila. She hasn't done a single good thing for anyone, irrational in her hatred, lies for no reason, emotionally manipulates Kagami more than once, yet we're supposed to believe Chloe is worse and incapable of redemption

It was more stupid since Alya was still acting so dumb after knowing Marinette was Ladybug and that she's probably been telling the truth the whole time.

Lila should’ve been a replacement Chloe. While not because, Chloe got to have her redemption arc

Its all cus marinette wasnt able to control her childish stubborness against lila. using superpowers to disprove a random person's lie that came outta nowhere is INSANE😭

I feel like Gabriel Agreste also deserves his own video about how he's not a well written villain.

I keep saying this, but if Lila had the power to charm people and was unaware of it, her whole ordeal about telling the most obvious lies and everyone believing it to the point of turning on Marinette for pointing out the truth would have made so much more sense! And making Marinette, Adrien and Gabriel immune to her charm powers because they have Miraculous on them at all times would also explain why those three don't buy her lies either!

That small change would make her character much more believable and explain why she hates Ladybug and Marinette so much - they're the only ones who don't believe her lies no matter what, and even worse, they're both willing to stand up to her. Rather than her wanting Adrien and Marinette being in the way, this would make for a much more interesting narrative surrounding her.

if I had to explain Lila as a character. Lila is a senseless MARY SUE of an "Antagonist" (Calling her an Antagonist is disrespect to other Antagonist ngl) who seemingly gets away with some of the most nonsense of lies I've ever seen. Her lies aren't even good, but because she's a Mary Sue, 90% of the cast will BELIEVE HER. KAGAMI BELIEVED HER... KAGAMI OF ALL CHARACTERS. The one who could of easily tell if Adrien was lying, couldn't deceive Lila's bull. The only manipulative thing I've seen Lila said that made Sense is that Marinette is Manipulative when she spoke to Kagami which honestly... That ain't far off

Lila seemingly is just a pathological liar. She lies to any person she likes and gets away with it. We don't like her because she's quite literally BASELESS. There isn't anything fun about her, and the only thing she brings is stupidity.


Now. If she had an interesting personality, actually can make GOOD LIES where it can deceive the actual AUDIENCE (Who's watching the show) and actually be a considerable threat. Then maybe, I would Like her as an antagonist.

However, instead we got a Mary Sue who lies can literally turn the "Smartest" individuals in the show to complete idiots. Alya for example wants to be a Journalist, and seeks to get all evidence before submitting such things, yet for some reason she believed Lila on the spot. Kagami believed her when she's a very smart and reasonable individual who can tell others are lying. THE PRINCIPAL BELIEVED HER which my god where are the CAMERAS?! I could actually SUE that entire School for how little security exist. Also the fact this man tried to expel Marinette for a single SMALL Crime she did. That is an over-exaggerated punishment. I'll personally beat up this Principal if he pull that bull on me so he'd have a good reason TO EXPEL me

Lila should've been chloe's foil because they're both similar characters, and that would give chloe her redemption and made lila's existence meaningful.

The writers/creator are generally so bad at writing interesting and believable characters

Harumi is a good twist villian I loved her she looked like a good match for Lloyd. Lila  is horrible, every lie she says has a flaw that you can figure out in less than a second. Nice vid i wanted somone other than cyrus to talk about Lila.

You can tell Lila was originally supposed to be Chloe's replacement when the writers got through her redemption arc. Maybe that's why she had been gone for so long. The writers had established at the end of season one what kind of person Lila was, then would have her take over Chloe's position as the school bully (Just instead of being a rich brat, she's just a lying brat) once Chloe's arc was finished. But from what I've heard, Thomas didn't want Chloe to be redeemed, meaning the writers didn't know what to do with her now that her main purpose was gone. So instead of just making her a one-off antagonist, they had to make something up.

I bring this up because Lila's role in season five feels so detached from her role in season one. In season one, she was just this wannabee-popular girl trying to get a cute guy to like her. But in season five, she suddenly becomes this hyper-competent villain lurking in the shadows, trying to achieve power. And while it can be interesting, it feels like it came out of nowhere because the writers didn't know what to do with Lila.

Lila's lies are way too realistic when you consider the class she comes from. Max created a robot that feels emotions, and he's the son of an astronaut, Chloe's the child of a world-famous fashion designer and the mayor who owns his own hotel frequented by celebrities, Juleka is the child of a rockstar, Adrien is the child of a famous fashion designer and actress, and everyone in the class has been saved by Ladybug and Cat Noir, and they've all met with famous rock star, Jagged Stone. This show cannot write a normal batch of high-schoolers.

I always thought Lila was just a sociopath because sociopaths tend to lie a lot, they lack human emotions or empathy, and they often try to wreak as much havoc has possible. What I'm not particularly fond of is how everyone took stupid pills that morning (Mr. Potato Head's words, not mine) when Lila bewitched them with her lies . Honestly, Lila could have made use of her amazing storytelling skills if she were to get a redemption somehow. And maybe Marinette/Ladybug should resort to using her brain instead of reacting so much. But of course, Thomas Astruc has ensured that Marinette never does anything wrong, a typical Mary Sue move. In my opinion, Lila is just a nothing burger, the same way Schaffrillas feels about Disney's Dinosaur from 2000. I want to feel something for her, but I genuinely don't. But that doesn't mean I don't look forward to what potential she may bring now that she's the holder of the Butterfly Miraculous in Season 6. I heard from rumors her supervillain ego is named "Chrysalis".

another thing that helps this make more sense to me is the fact that they insinuated that in the episode timetagger the hawkmoth of the future was not the same person that when currently knew and there are heavy hints to it being a female that had some sort of relations with chris and as we see at the end of chris master lila is babysitting him

One of the things I’ve always hated about Lila is how they’re never really clear about the motive. Like why would she do something like steal the butterfly miraculous? Did she do it for the attention that being a supervillain would give her? Or did she do it to get back at ladybug. Lila is an evil mastermind for no real reason, the characters just say their motivations out loud in this show all the time, idk why they couldn’t just have given her an evil monologue about why she’s doing this

As a Ninjago fan, I was so happy that you used Harumi to compare to Lila as a lying villain and I cannot wait to see your video on Harumi (and I agree season 8 is one of the best Ninjago seasons overall).

To be fair to Mari, she at least did apologize to Lila for humiliating her in front of Adrien and Lila did reject her apology



To also be fair, this video was still a great analysis

At first I was intrigued, but just got annoyed when it became obvious that everyone else had to get dumbed down just for her lies to work. The only times I believe her lies worked was when she was lying and manipulating Kagami. Even then though, I think the only reason it worked was because of how socially awkward/inept she is. And then when she lied to Chris, and he’s just a small child. I also thought it was odd how she suddenly got taller as soon as she took off the wig. By the time that happened, I just stopped caring about her.

I think Lola was created qith the purpose of bring out the worst in Marinette. Which she definitely does. Marinette is Extremely brash and thinks nothing through when Lila enrages her. If only the rest of her character was as effective...