Spencer Matthews is a very old friend of mine - we grew up together sharing some embarrassing moments on television, making a name for ourselves as podcasters interviewing (and winding up) some of Hollywood’s finest, in our podcast, ‘6 Degrees’.

However, in the last few years, our friendship has begun to wane, and it’s a question I’m asked all the time: ‘Have you and Spencer fallen out?’. To tell the truth, I’ve never really known the answer to this… We’ve hardly seen each other for a number of reasons, and so when he reached out about this recording, I thought it’s time to get to the bottom of this, because friendships are important and worth fighting for.

We cover:

-Why he wasn’t invited to my London wedding
-Where he was during my ultramarathons
-Wild stories of our time on Made In Chelsea
-Spencer shares the lowest points of his alcoholism
-How the grief of losing his brother as a child, has impacted his capacity for emotions

This podcast was created for connection in a world of disconnection, and this episode is quite raw for me. Like many men, I’m not always the greatest communicator, and I think Spencer would say the same for himself, so having this opportunity to sit down together, and lay it all out on the table was really special.

And I’m also releasing a book, ‘Boys Don’t Cry’ which you can pre-order here: https://boysdontcry.co.uk

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00:00 Trailer  
02:33 Introducing Spencer Matthews  
03:02 Growing up together  
03:26 Why did our relationship change  
03:54 Spencer wasn’t invited to my London wedding
05:38 The real reason Spencer was not invited to the London wedding
06:20 It began with Spencer not coming to my stag do  
08:14 Not communicating and being selfish  
09:45 Press painting a narrative on our friendship  
11:03 I'm not good friend  
11:55 Finding out about the London wedding on the Daily Mail
16:37 Are we jealous of each other?
17:07 Our 6 degrees podcast  
20:04 Having a spiritual awakening  
20:47 Running the Wadi Rum desert and feeling connected to my brother
22:10 Processing death at a young age  
23:23 The death of my brother  
24:52 The delayed grief of losing my brother because I was so young
26:34 Not having access to a range of emotions  
27:55 Suppressing emotions with alcohol  
28:40 The effects of therapy  
29:41 Missing my brother  
30:23 Pent up emotions
32:27 Making my family proud  
34:37 What do you miss about our friendship  
36:58 What were our best moments  
39:33 Still being known for made in Chelsea  
42:31 Not being proud of myself when being on made in Chelsea  
44:30 Dealing with shame and rejection and being on made in Chelsea
45:59 Having lack of empathy and sympathy
48:45 The nature of my drinking  
50:04 Living in a lie
51:30 felt like a slave now I'm in control  
52:16 Little and consistent changes  
54:46 Messages from Spencer’s mum
59:40 Final eight questions


THE CREDITS  
Exec Producer: Jemima Rathbone  
Producer: Helen Burke
Assistant Producer: Rhoda Abrokwa  
Video: Jake Ji
Audio: Rafi Amsili  
Social Media: Laura Coughlan & Anthony Barter  


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