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Interested in the randomness in Video Games? Then join us for a beefed-up compilation on how your brain lies to you in games, no-win scenarios in gaming, one of our favorite things to do save scumming, and how to balance RNG in gaming.

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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
00:06 - Your Brain Lies to You
07:03 - No-Win Scenarios in Games
12:42 - The Game Design of Save Systems
19:22 - Balancing RNG

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Your Brain Lies to You | Artist: Scott DeWitt | Writer - James Portnow
No-Win Scenarios in Games | Artist Scott Dewitt | Writer - Will Kunkel
The Game Design of Save Systems | Artist: Scott DeWitt | Writer - James Portnow
Balancing RNG | Artist: Scott DeWitt | Writer - James Portnow

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20 Comments

@extracredits Creator 2 years ago (edited) Pinned

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@AurjayGames 2 years ago

24:43 "60 minutes multiply it by Media Offline"

@lastnameunavailable7133 2 years ago

Solitaire with real cards player here, one of the things I like is the no win hands. I don't feel any pressure to think too hard or obsess over every move, because it might just be impossible anyway. Also my grandma taught me when that happens is when you're allowed to cheat.

@mitwhitgaming7722 2 years ago

I still don't trust Google's D20... three nat 1s in a row my foot!

@TrueTgirl 2 years ago (edited)

Y'know, when the Mythbusters did the Monty Hall thing, I acknowledged the results, but I could not wrap my head around why it was the case. Over the years I've tried over and over again to make it make sense to my own brain and come up empty. Today, with the way you laid it out in this video, I have been freed from a curse I had long resigned myself to living with. *Thank you.*

@lostbutfreesoul 2 years ago

The way I describe it to people is:
The original probability is still collapsing, so you have to keep the starting percentages accounted for.
You didn't go from 3 choices (33%) to 2 (50%), so you are still using 33%'s.

@Ziptgv 1 year ago

3:37 domain expansion: a thousand door gamble

@dreww1459 2 years ago (edited)

Fun fact: there IS a known Spire seed that is unwinable. Don't ask me for said seed, but people with WAY more Spire knowledge could tell you.

@AidanRatnage 2 years ago

I never understood why a goat is a bad prize.

@IrocZIV 2 years ago

Missing media at 24:50

@PocketBrain 2 years ago

One of my favorite replay missions in StarCraft 2 is the Vision mission where you have to hold out against the forces of Amon as long as possible. Ultimately, you are doomed, of course, but lasting just a little longer has its satisfactions.

@joeyhourYT 2 months ago

The monty hall problem lives rent free in my brain

@jphiled6554 2 years ago

“RIP: My Favorite Anime Boy”

I presume someone on the EH staff has been playing Fire Emblem. If so, I salute you.

@aemmerich91 2 years ago

A prayer to RNGsus for giving us this video so randomly. Then again it seems like faith, because I was bored and hoped for a good video. And it came.

@FoolishFrost 2 years ago

Okay, let me try a shot at save scumming. I find nothing wrong with this. But... It's a failure of the understanding of RPGs by the video game industry.

The truth is, they end the game when the player's character dies. They make a character's death a FAILURE state. That's not how Tabletop RPGs work. If your character dies due to a bad roll or situation, you MIGHT quit, but in most cases... You roll a new character, and it's merged back into the ongoing story.

In an RPG, it's about the story. Sometimes character's die. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes, the heroes LOSE. And then, the players grieve, learn, and move forward with a new set of characters.

I would say save scumming is a result of game not being able to do that. Fail states FORCE them to do it.

Your thoughts?

@jonydude 2 years ago

I think all the deep personal reflection on life lessons with no-win scenarios is reaching a little. However, knowing when you're in one and rebooting immediately can be part of the progression in mastering the game.

@teamworm5932 2 years ago

While watching this video I lost a game of minesweeper by clicking a cell that had a 2% chance to be a mine

@grenveld7015 2 years ago

One of my favorite games (an indie game called Fear and Hunger ) does a clever little psychological trick with probability. Now, Fear and Hunger is a game that likes to torment its players, so frequently both in and out of conbat, you will be prompted to call heads or tails and then the gsme will show you an animation of a coin flipping and if you called it correctly the game proceeds as normal, but if you get it wrong something terrible happens, and about 60% of the time failing these coin flips means immediate death, but think about it, why would the game prompt you to call heads or tails, when it's 50/50 either way? Well, to torment the player, of course. It gives you the illusion of choice such that every time you get it wrong you feel as if you are dirrectly responsible for your failure because you made the wrong choice, when, in reality, there was never a choice to begin with.

@prop-a-gent 2 years ago

No matter how many times I hear it explained to me, I will always hate the monty hall problem.

"If you switch, it's like you're choosing a 50% success over a 33% success! Stats support it!"

Statistics my foot, the two doors don't care about the other door! They're functionally the same! By staying with the door I choose initially, it's like I've already made the choice to switch!

(I know the math says I'm wrong, but the math is dumb and I hate it.)