The part about Abby never trying to learn about Ellie’s side of the story but the player is forced to learn about Abby’s

The game's message is that violence isn't the answer yet the combat loop is just triple-A quality violence

The ending to this game was the equivalent to John Wick killing everyone but the guy who killed his dog

It actually gives me chills when I think of what this game would be like if Joel had lost Ellie to Abby and we got to see him absolutely waste her.

The Breaking Bad comparison is pretty rich. Walter didn't go from being very good to very bad. He always had an ego and was repressing alot of resentment toward certain people in his life for having success and being able to be who they want to be. It's why he wanted to combine his crime life with his home life in the first place and couldn't just take the money and run once he didn't need to make meth anymore. Heisenberg was always hiding inside Walter White.

I laughed hard af when you said you would kill Abby's dad all over again. I actually replayed the first one just for that myself. Seriously, fuck that guy

It felt so condescending how this game tried to preach about forgiveness while not offering that same mercy to Joel, a character we know very well. Hell, they even punished Ellie at the end.

Other things that drive me nuts
1. A tropical fungus surviving in a Wyoming Winter
2. Let's have a death cult of super emos who whistle as loud as possible in a city full of infected who can hear you if you walk too fast and pray to a dead hippie AND everyone on that island is either Andre the Giant or a 4'11 women who can somehow shoot better than Hawkeye and Legolas
3. Seattle is an enormous city but the WLFs are confined to a football stadium? You'd think after 20 years of fighting they'd manage to control more of their own city with more safe zones they've cleared the infected out of or there'd be MORE infected in a place like Seattle where fungus thrive in all that dark dampness?
5. How the heck do the Wolves control a hospital that was ground zero for the infected and never once bothered to go down into level one prepared to burn it all out to wipe out the infected? nor deal with infected trying to break out of the hospital especially with that Rat King lurking down there

Honestly, my biggest problem with the game is that it is a revenge story but stops you from actually having your revenge right at the end and shoehorns in a "cycle of violence" message as if none of the random people you killed have family that want to avenge them. Nevermind the fact that you mowed through hundreds of enemies to get a shot at killing Abby and Ellie just gives up last second. They pulled every cheap trick in the book to make people sympathize with Abby and they still couldn't get people to like her.

Why does everyone have waaaaaaayyy better ideas then the writers and director?

I hate how Lev has one of the most interesting stories in this game but we never get to play as him. He is trying to save his brainwashed mother from a cult that wants to kill him for heresy, for god's sake thats fricking Shakespeare compared to the rest of the game.

"You shouldn't be so quick to kill the only immune person you know of, EVEN if it is for a vaccine."

THANK YOU. My mother even brought this up but I haven't seen anyone else mention it. The decision to just cut Ellie's brains open and kill her without any second thought is so dumb on the Fireflies part. What if the vaccine doesn't work? Well, you just wasted your only test subject, so guess we can't try again. It makes them look so incompetent and only makes Joel's decision more justified.

Something else that’s funny is that Ellie - who has the more stealth orientated gameplay style - loses to Abby… in a stealth fight I mean if I get it Abby got trained by the Fireflies and the WLF but Ellie literally uses this exact strategy against David. Sure Ellie’s blinded by rage and would maybe get sloppy but that wouldn’t make her stupid and she’s been pretty efficient throughout the game until the Abby fight where they turn her into an idiot

"Stop trying to be movies so badly" thank you! It is a video GAME, not a VIDEO game. Imagine "improving" a movie by having a few static images and most of the story is told by just audio to mimic radio novelas.

I think it's ludicrous that a game tries to make me feel bad for killing cartoonishly evil characters when it places them in my way like a row of perfectly stacked cans
I don't care if they give half their income to disabled kids, I'm pumping these fuckers with lead because I paid for an action game and damn well am getting one

"Everything about how this game is written is meant to move along the plot no matter how little sense it makes" - you really hit the nail on the head with this video.

I said the same thing about Joel. They made Joel an idiot for plots sake

I still love how people used the argument of "you're upset Joel died" when the fandom, at least the majority from what I saw, accepted that he was going to die in TLoU2.

For a game that tells you that everyone has an ellie or joel, the game does its best to tell you that the only people that cant have eachother are ellie and joel

Character inconsistency is one of the biggest issues that current media has. Movies and games tend to take these fictional characters out of character to push the plot forward. Even if it's detrimental to the overall immersion of the viewer/player or to the story as a whole.