I feel like what gets massively overlooked is Jason died chasing knowledge of who his mother was and his mom hands him to the joker but he saves his mom as his last act alive I really want to see that relationship between him and that mother betrayal wound he has

I wish they’d write Jason better he has just as much writing potential as nightwing, while dick represents what Batman should be Jason is what Batman could be the yin and yang contrast with each other, he shouldn’t ghost the bat family and shouldn’t hate Bruce

Jason; always loses because authors don’t want to present his sense of morality as victorious.

Originally, Dick was significantly more angry and impulsive as Robin than Jason, while Jason was mostly just a sweet kid. Nerdy, introverted, did VERY well academically, and was seen as wannabe adult (paraphrasing) by his peers.

However, enormous amounts of trauma and tragedy have jaded him and made him who he is today.

Edit: Also, it’s important to remember that Jason actually offered Batman a third option in that ultimatum; Allow Jason to kill Joker instead of doing it himself.

The ultimatum in general went a little something like this; Batman could kill the Joker himself and Jason would come back to him, he could allow Jason to kill the Joker and continue his work in Crime Alley as he was doing already, or he could kill Jason because Jason didn’t want to live in a world where the life of his murderer mattered more to him than his own.

Even though he kills criminals, Jason knows when to stop unlike Bruce, and tries to be that symbol of hope to some criminal

Batman: your ruling through intimidation and murder, your becoming a crime lord

Red Hood: Yes, that's what you never understood, you can't stop crime, I'm controlling it, you want to rule them by fear but what do you do with the ones who aren't afraid? I'm doing what you won't, I'm taking them out!

Bruce Wayne: tell me what happened to you, let me help

Jason Todd: it's too late...you had your chance...

This is why when it comes to things like this I love Red Hood a lot more than Batman because say what you want about Batman but Red Hood was never an evil person, he was just wronged by the world and when it comes to crime at least he has a zero tolerance policy for crime and at least he gets shit done instead of locking the clown back up in the same facility knowing he's gonna escape again in a week and get out to do the same shit which is kill more people

So unpopular opinion but Jason Todd is actually my favorite Robin out of all the Batman Sidekicks and Robins. I still believe out of the four Grayson and Drake deserve to be called Robins in contrast to him though I still enjoyed Jason as a character. In my eyes I enjoyed Jason Todd because he represents how complicated sidekicks are or in this case become. He was a bratty kid that didn't know any better and as a result he payed the price and became a determined yet traumatized man. Unlike Nightwing, Red Hood chosed his identity out of spite rather than self discovery. We all know every Batman fan disliked Jason taking the Robin mantle and despised him being a rowdy kid. So DC hosting a contest of either letting Jason live or die was the most ridiculous yet best decision they made.

This meta decision recontexualizes Jason as a Robin who lost his place then returning as a vengeful and lone vigilante. Him using Joker's former identity showed how he was willing to use his culprit's persona as his new superhero alias. Under The Red Hood is one of my favorite Batman Media out there because the movie showed the tragedy of Jason. Jason's motives are understandable considering he doesn't want anybody to suffer the same tragedy from The Joker. He disliked Batman's methods of having the Joker scot free but Batman knows if he succumbs to pure violence it is a sad tragedy. That's when I feel pity for both of them. I cannot blame Jason on the Joker because he believes the Joker will continue his rampage again. But Bruce doesn't want to let go of his optimism of helping the rogues and not let violence and tragedy define him like Jason did. The ending where a young Jason states that being a Robin was the best thing he ever had made me cry knowing the end result.

Though I do enjoy Jason hanging out with the Batman team and respecting his mentor once more. I also enjoyed that unlike the Robins out of the four he is willing to do things his way. He is also someone who does have the sheer will power to do things his way and I respect that. I meam sure he's violent but he's not as brutal or insane in contrast to Marvel's The Punisher. He has morals and I respect him for sticking to his guns even though I disagree with his execution. Another thing is well he is the most ambitious and determined of his goals so we gotta give him credit for that. He may not be liked and I can understand people think he's edgy or too angsty I mean seriously in the Nightwing video somebody called Jason Mid Hood when I requested him. But I love Red Hood because he is a failure of a Robin yet a success at being a better person and a better man.

Apparently, Jason Todd (in the early comics) was a really sweet, wholesome kid but I guess the fans at the time didn't like that cuz they voted to have him killed off in a horrific fashion. When he comes back, he's edgy, dark, and makes the girls go "I can fix him." There's a commentary in there somewhere about how society wants men to kill off the softer parts of themselves to become "stronger" but then you're left with this jagged, sharp thing that few people want to handle.

I don’t really like it when people present Jason talking back to batman (when he was robin) as a precursor to his more ruthless attitude as the Red Hood. because all the robins talked back to batman, especially Dick and Damian. if you just took their runs as robins and analysed those, I don’t think any of them would stand out as more rebellious or violent as the others, it seems to be the circumstances that end their runs as robin that sets them each apart

Jason is the most tragic character in the DC, and it makes us love him that much more. I know a solo movie of Jason would introduce the best DC character to the world

I think Jason becomes a genuinely good person in new 52 and rebirth. Like the way he is like a big brother to bizzaro

i dont like how jason uses ruber bullets and non lethal weapons in gotham knight, thats what he is, people love the ruthless red hood

Jason isn’t trying to get revenge on Batman, he’s trying to prove to Batman why he’s right. So in a sense he does have very strong ideals he lives by. He also shows that he doesn’t need approval when he kills a criminal in front of Bruce. The reason he was angry with Bruce when it came to the Joker is because the Joker literally killed him, and Jason is essentially Bruce’s adopted son. So if my dad walked away from me when I told him we could kill my killer or let me kill him myself, I’d also be pretty upset. I don’t think this shows that Jason is childish and needs approval, I think it shows that he feels wronged by Batman. Afterall, he says, “If it was you who he’d taken from this world I would’ve stopped at nothing but search the world for Joker and send him off to hell. I thought I’d be the last person you’d ever let him hurt”

Oh , the child acts like a child. What a novice point.

I DESPISE how DC does Jason. He is my GOAT, and they treat him like some misbehaving child who can never win.

All I’m saying if when written well, he was a fantastic robin! He saved Batman in the cult, and helped save superman in the issue for the man who has everything. His robin was the one that was going through the period change of campy criminals to drug plots and he still cracked jokes while being serious at times.

When you said that the challenge Jason made for batman was "Childish", you were gravely mistaken.
It was Batman's action that was childish. He let the Joker live time and time again, and for what?
The Joker continuously hurt his friend and family, just because Batman was "afraid" of whatever the heck that he was afraid?
However, Batman had no problems creating contingency plans to directly and indirectly harmed his entire teammates, like how he did in Justice League: Tower of Babel?
The incompetent writers created such bad stories for both Batman and Joker. The end of Joker in The Dark Knight returns was the fitting end for both Joker and Batman

I feel the Arkham Jason had it worse. He didn't die, instead Joker kept him alive so his suffering could continue. The voice lines during Jason's final showdown makes it clear how broken he really was.

"It was all about you, what Joker did. He ruined me to spite you!"

"Come out. Face me! You owe me that!"

"I can still here him laughing, he's still in my head!"

"Do you know the things he did? The games he used to play?! This is mercy compared to what he put me through!"

"Do you know where he kept me? I was soooo close."

"Did you even look for me? Or did you just look for a replacement?"

"I was just a kid, you turned me into a soldier, sent me to war!"

Then there is his lines when you reach him. Each time you did, Jason sounds closer to breaking down.

"There's no helping me!"

"Don't pretend to understand!"

"Don't call me that! That's not who I am!"

"Stop! Stop talking to me!"

Jason doesn't blame Batman he is just infuriated by the whole situation, many people blame Batman that Jokker and other criminals get out all the time, but what has Batman to do with that he offers them on a silver plater to authorities who fail over and over again ? Well Jason is the solution to that failiure of society, and I bet meny people in Gotham would be perfectly willing to look other way around if it meant solving the crime problem. On the other hand authorites could change laws and deal more harshly with criminals but choose not to. But it is a fictional setting in real life Jokker would be dealt with by the police especially in the US. But he is needed for the story, and others as well. One of mine favorite stories is the Court of Owls, they do what Batman won't and they are the bad guys because of it. And Batwomans father also crosses that line and becomes exactly like League of Assassins and Ra's al Ghul.