All I’ll say is I usually have to grind a character a bit to get into elite smash, and I literally just won my first 5 games with aegis and got in

Ayo ever considered making a hype tier list? Seems like a fun thing to do on a stream.

Riddles: Instantly put Bowser at the bottom
Me who main Bowser: "Ok! This tier list is very accurate!"

As a previous dr.Mario main. I would say this is 100% accurate. This tier list is based on max potential easiness. And since his max potential is literally nothing, it’s very easy to achieve

the whole chat saying “terry harder than lucas ?!?“ speaks volumes abt it lmfao bro trippin

Riddles loves to justify his picks with “C’mon dude” 😂😂

I’m glad that Riddles acknowledges how difficult Rosa is, she’s actually super difficult to use. She’s one of my favorites to play and have counterpicked people in bracket with her because of matchup inexperience, but she’s so easy to punish and combo that it’s a nightmare. Especially recovering, my goodness.

I'm no falco main but his placement  was kinda odd. The tier list was how hard it was to get the max potential of a character, yet the justification of his placement is that there is a lot in elite. Elite smash isn't the max potential of characters. You even said yourself, that falcos neutral gets harder at top level but he is ranked easier than  pissra, the character that barely has to play neutral

(brawler main) bro i waited the entire damn video to see how hard he thought brawler was and then he said "fuck the miis" and did not elaborate any further

Saying cheese makes the character easier while putting Kazuya in STier is the biggest cope I've seen of riddles in A long time

In retrospect this list is borderline insane with some spots

The Miis are so difficult to play that they get their own tier because Riddles doesn't know how to classify them.

Meta knight at least belongs in a tier. Having to instant double jump and fast fall slightly and short hop jump is to just do combos is pretty insane imo

Lucas is definitely harder than all the B-tiers. You have to be insanely skilled to get Lucas to his max potential.

If the list is about how hard it is to reach a character's maximum potential, than it doesn't matter if they have cheese or not, because having easier options doesn't take away from the complexity of their kit. Just cause shulk has shield art doesn't mean learning to use his other arts gets easier. Having super armor or in smash attacks doesn't make ewgf on kazuya easier. Having a low skill floor and high skill ceiling are two separate factors.

I honestly think Sephiroth offline is ridiculously hard, it takes so much precision to play that character and do well at a high level it's nuts imo.
Elite Smashers won't understand it but when I go to locals and play somewhat good people it's hard to win man, it sucks that he's like the coolest character in the game because I feel like I have to drop him, if I don't read my opponent majority of the time I lose because his frame-data sucks. Just get out-framed/paced.

lucas is definitely s tier with all his frame perfect tech like the zair thing and the invincible up smash cancelled aerials, no one does it because of the difficulty and instead they could just learn ness magnet combos and win with the better and easier earthbound character

kazuya s tier is ultra cap

Peach has been my ride or die since Brawl. She’s so much fun to play and with all the tech you can do, and with more being discovered, the sky truly is the limit... She will never get boring 🍑💙

My richter really put Luigi behind Pyra/Mithra??? Crazy.