Great job you guys! While I side with Dr. Cooper on the issue of BR, I think it would be very beneficial to the body of Christ if more baptists had a higher view of the sacraments as Dr. Ortlund does. It's very refreshing to hear especially since so many now a days aren't even willing to call them Sacraments but mere ordinances which strip them of all their power. Thanks again for these wonderful dialogues.

Three of my favorite YouTubers. Thanks for all these great interviews - I always learn so much!

As an Orthodox Christian, I find a lot of commonality between my own understanding and Dr. Cooper's Lutheran perspective, more so than with some Roman Catholic articulations. But I think Pastor Ortlund is incredibly thoughtful, and it's refreshing to hear a Baptist perspective that doesn't default to a hyper-Zwinglian belief that baptism's effect is only psychological or that it's a sign whose significance lies entirely outside the act.

Baptists should be in the Olympics, those hermeneutical gymnastics are top notch!

Ex-baptist here, now Lutheran (western-catholic).

Discuss Theosis next !!!

These two scholars are the bomb. Love them a ton!!

According to my Church, Syriac Oriental Orthodox, baptism should be done once.  Baptism is the forgivness of sins and one becomes united with Jesus Christ referencing Galatians.
If someone joins from another denomination, we just "confirm" him/her thru the sacrament of Crismation.

It seems to me that belief needs to come before baptism.  Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38.

As a former SDA, I appreciate what was stated with reference to LDS baptism not being valid and would argue for the same stance on SDA baptism because they also believe in three personages (sometimes called "Powers" or "three great Worthies" by SDA prophetess Ellen G. White).

Excellent discussion.  Thank you all. (From a low church Lutheran Pietist 😉)

Dr. Gavin Ortlund is the most charitable and level-headed memorialist I have ever met. Usually they get very heated and irrational and start slinging "works-based salvation" insults at you. I say this as a former memorialist who (to my shame) did the same thing.

Actually, embracing the Lutheran view of baptismal regeneration and salvation gives me very great comfort and MORE assurance than anything I ever felt in the Born-Again movement.

In my walk in the Messianic Movement right now I am also meeting a bunch of young people who feel the same way as myself. We're kind of quietly pushing leaders of the movement to adopt the apostolic view of the "sacraments" while keeping the distinct beliefs of the movement (a future millenial reign, the Jewish people still being elect in God's eyes [albeit in rebellion and unsaved], a future literal restoration of Israel involving the reunion of the house of israel and judah, etc.).

Imagine, a man is shipwrecked alone and happens to not be a believer and was not baptized as an infant.  One book survives the shipwreck and it is a Bible.  He reads it and fully believes that Jesus was the only begotten son of God the Father and suffered and died to rise again for the forgiveness of sins.  There is no one to baptize him.  He cannot be a member of any Church.  He is completely alone.  Is he saved?  If so, does he receive less grace than others?

I realize this is a fictional case, but as an intellectual exercise I hope it makes the point.  Baptism is a wonderful and blessed thing, but it is not a 'cheat code' for salvation in and of itself without pre-existing conscious faith.

I can't find  the previous video on whether baptism is regenerative

Very interesting to hear this ^_^

Hi! Roman Catholic here: In the medival era many theologians distinguished that, though unbaptized infants do not experience the beatific vision they also have not merited torment in hell. This led to the teaching by St Thomas on Limbus Infantum. The state of natural happiness for the unbaptized, yet deprived of the beatific vision. This teaching is not defined, but permissible. Just as it is permissible to speculate on the salvation of infants through extraordinary means.

Too bad Baptist churches don't have liturgical services in the same way as the Lutheran/RCC/Orthodox churches.

Hi Austin
I haven’t seen the previous videos yet if you mentioned but within which faith tradition were you baptized as an infant and how come?

Yes I would absolutely love and appreciate if they could talk about marriage divorce and remarriage views from Roman catholic,  EO and prodestant perspectives and the church fathers .... I have probably studies this topic for the last 4 years and it's confusing and complicated and I have only looked into the prodestant discussion on this topic , but I understand the RC church views marriage as a Sacrament and in some cases divorce and remarriage as mortal sins (I'm not sure) please help bring clarity if possible

In Dragonarrr’s question, the closest to Baptist that has baptismal regeneration would be the Church of Christ denomination.   If I’m not a mistaken, they split off of the Baptist in the early 1800s.

Of course there are two baptisms. Wow.