What happens when life falls apart… again? Writer and artist Suleika Jaouad (author of Between Two Kingdoms and The Book of Alchemy) joins Kate Bowler to talk about chronic illness, relapse, and the raw truth of starting over. They explore how to live in the messy middle—when there’s no script, no easy fix, and no quota for suffering.

🎧 Topics include:
• Coping with cancer and chronic illness
• The grief and beauty of falling apart
• Creative injuries and reclaiming your voice
• Rituals for resilience in uncertain times
• Making art as a lifeline for being human

00:00 The Beautiful and the Terrible  
01:21 When Illness Becomes a Season  
08:18 Survival as a Creative Act  
13:44 Dancing with Fear  
15:39 Digging Holes and Other Holy Things  
19:01 The Rituals That Keep Us Human  
22:24 The Canvas Won’t Be Blank Forever  
27:22 Living with Awe

If you’re navigating grief, illness, or just trying to stay human when life doesn’t go according to plan—this conversation is for you.

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