Jay Dyer vs. The "Protestantism" of His Imagination | @JayDyer
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Recently, I was sent a video of Eastern Orthodox apologist Jay Dyer (âȘ@JayDyerâŹ) where he makes a number of claims regarding Protestants. Namely, Reformed theology, sola fide, penal substitutionary atonement, and Christ being imputed with man's sin. As someone who was less familiar with Jay's content, I was honestly shocked at how poor the representation of Protestants was â in what appears to be a lesson he was giving for Eastern Orthodox individuals regarding Reformed theology and the Protestant Reformation. One almost wonders if he was conducting a comedic bit.
Nevertheless, it provides us with a plethora of common myths, caricatures and pop-slop level claims that Protestants have to be familiar with, understand how they are used to craft a larger meta-narrative, and what the historical/primary sources actually show. So in this video, we will test a number of Jay's claims against the sources themselves and see where the chips fall.
0:00 Intro: Jay Dyer vs. Reformed Theology
2:02 Jay Dyer on Sola Fide and Mental Assent
4:28 What Does Sola Fide Actually Mean?
8:28 Saving Faith vs. Dead Historical Faith
11:33 Does Believing in Sola Fide Save You?
15:24 Did Calvin Teach That the Father Damned Jesus?
18:09 Is Penal Substitution a Nestorian Heresy?
20:29 John Calvin on Christ Bearing Godâs Wrath
28:21 Did Calvin Invent âChrist Was Damnedâ Theology?
33:18 Penal Substitution in the Early Church Fathers
42:05 Was Sola Fide Invented by Martin Luther?
45:32 Eastern Orthodoxy and Doctrinal Development
50:19 Did the Early Church Teach Justification by Faith Alone?
55:21 Marius Victorinus on Galatians 2:16 and Faith Alone
1:01:03 Imputed Righteousness Before Augustine
1:06:05 Was Abraham Justified by Faith in Galatians 3?
1:11:49 Is Imputed Righteousness a Legal Fiction?
1:20:46 Ursinus Defends Imputed Righteousness
1:32:36 Why Do Christians Still Sin After Regeneration?
1:39:15 Christâs Ongoing Intercession in Hebrews 7
1:43:25 Did Reformed Theology Teach Baptismal Regeneration?
1:51:56 Herman Bavinck on Baptismal Regeneration
1:55:52 Does Reformed Theology Teach Participation in God?
2:00:27 Reformed Theosis, Union With Christ, and Participation
2:09:55 Does Penal Substitution Mean God Pays Himself?
2:13:20 The Socinian Objection to Penal Substitution
2:20:17 How Can Christ Pay the Debt of Sinners?
2:29:06 Romans 4: Why Does Paul Quote Genesis 15?
2:33:16 Paul vs. James on Abrahamâs Justification
2:37:24 Martin Bucer on Romans 4 and Faith Alone
2:41:57 Theodoret on Romans 3 and Justification by Faith
2:47:09 Ambrosiaster on Romans 4 and Faith Alone
2:53:44 Do âWorks of the Lawâ Mean Jewish Ceremonies?
2:56:44 Did Abrahamâs Good Works Justify Him?
2:59:25 Jay Dyer Misrepresents Reformed Theology
#jaydyer #apologetics #canonandcreed #protestantism #orthodoxy
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Imagine the Thief on the Cross at the Pearly Gates, and Saint Peter comes to him and starts asking questions. He says, âFirst of all, are you clear on the Doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone?â The Thief says, âIâve never heard of it.â âWell,â Saint Peter say, âDo you understand the Doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement?â âNo,â the Thief says. âThen by what right are you here?,â Saint Peter finally says. He responds, âBecause the Man on the middle cross said I could come.â
In this, he shows himself to fundamentally misunderstand not only Biblical Justification and justifying faith in the actual and historical Protestant traditions, but that of the early church as well. As evidenced by many excellent citations (demonstrating the early church believed firmly in reconciliation with the Father by the Son alone, through faith apart from works (of the law OR of love/charity)), it leaves their camp with not much more than accusation, and feet firmly planted in mid-air.
Historical (actual) Protestants do not need to fear either the church fathers nor the arguments put forward by those who have to selectively jettison and/or over-simplify (if not misrepresent) the post Apostolic church as evidence of what the Apostolic church actually held to and believed.
Turns out Scripture is right! đ
"And for those who were saved without knowing it- what then?"
Also, this is probably better way to debate/interact with the guy, since his meltdowns, blatant disrespect, and lack of self control rarely produce constructive or fruitful theological debates (perhaps that style of debate has other values, such as clicks and views, but it's certainly not what I'd consider to be anything that would be pleasing to God). They almost always go off the rails or get stuck in the weeds and its largely due to his behavior. I know his fanclub really loves it, but for me, it's not something I care to watch.
That being said, I agree with him on a lot of other things, just not his views on whatever he thinks of Protestantism.
Jay Dyer vs. The "Protestantism" of His Imagination | @JayDyer
Canon & Creed
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Recently, I was sent a video of Eastern Orthodox apologist Jay Dyer (âȘ@JayDyerâŹ) where he makes a number of claims regarding Protestants. Namely, Reformed theology, sola fide, penal substitutionary atonement, and Christ being imputed with man's sin. As someone who was less familiar with Jay's content, I was honestly shocked at how poor the representation of Protestants was â in what appears to be a lesson he was giving for Eastern Orthodox individuals regarding Reformed theology and the Protestant Reformation. One almost wonders if he was conducting a comedic bit.
Nevertheless, it provides us with a plethora of common myths, caricatures and pop-slop level claims that Protestants have to be familiar with, understand how they are used to craft a larger meta-narrative, and what the historical/primary sources actually show. So in this video, we will test a number of Jay's claims against the sources themselves and see where the chips fall.
0:00 Intro: Jay Dyer vs. Reformed Theology
2:02 Jay Dyer on Sola Fide and Mental Assent
4:28 What Does Sola Fide Actually Mean?
8:28 Saving Faith vs. Dead Historical Faith
11:33 Does Believing in Sola Fide Save You?
15:24 Did Calvin Teach That the Father Damned Jesus?
18:09 Is Penal Substitution a Nestorian Heresy?
20:29 John Calvin on Christ Bearing Godâs Wrath
28:21 Did Calvin Invent âChrist Was Damnedâ Theology?
33:18 Penal Substitution in the Early Church Fathers
42:05 Was Sola Fide Invented by Martin Luther?
45:32 Eastern Orthodoxy and Doctrinal Development
50:19 Did the Early Church Teach Justification by Faith Alone?
55:21 Marius Victorinus on Galatians 2:16 and Faith Alone
1:01:03 Imputed Righteousness Before Augustine
1:06:05 Was Abraham Justified by Faith in Galatians 3?
1:11:49 Is Imputed Righteousness a Legal Fiction?
1:20:46 Ursinus Defends Imputed Righteousness
1:32:36 Why Do Christians Still Sin After Regeneration?
1:39:15 Christâs Ongoing Intercession in Hebrews 7
1:43:25 Did Reformed Theology Teach Baptismal Regeneration?
1:51:56 Herman Bavinck on Baptismal Regeneration
1:55:52 Does Reformed Theology Teach Participation in God?
2:00:27 Reformed Theosis, Union With Christ, and Participation
2:09:55 Does Penal Substitution Mean God Pays Himself?
2:13:20 The Socinian Objection to Penal Substitution
2:20:17 How Can Christ Pay the Debt of Sinners?
2:29:06 Romans 4: Why Does Paul Quote Genesis 15?
2:33:16 Paul vs. James on Abrahamâs Justification
2:37:24 Martin Bucer on Romans 4 and Faith Alone
2:41:57 Theodoret on Romans 3 and Justification by Faith
2:47:09 Ambrosiaster on Romans 4 and Faith Alone
2:53:44 Do âWorks of the Lawâ Mean Jewish Ceremonies?
2:56:44 Did Abrahamâs Good Works Justify Him?
2:59:25 Jay Dyer Misrepresents Reformed Theology
#jaydyer #apologetics #canonandcreed #protestantism #orthodoxy
Also Jay later that same stream: "Luther was a platonist"
For a guy that claims to be very well read on philosophy, he didn't seem to know that those are contradictory statements.