while i loved the styling of Click Clack, i just can’t take it seriously when it’s mostly teens singing “walking with my hips back”.. idk to me it just feels empty with mostly teens talking about how rich they are. i agree with you in that they are leagues above some of the songs they have released, i think Drip is closer to the mark they are trying to hit, but there is still something missing for me. i think they are so talented and have so much potential and look forward to see how they grow

I also agree with your mini analysis of bp. Their concept is a more elegant version of a yg group. Outside of their initial releases, I never understood the 2ne2 allegations, especially when 2ne1 was way more electronic.

IMHO, Young Posse seems to be doing a way better job at the 'quirky, unreal, rejecting sophistication' concept than babymonster. Every single song they've released has not only been a banger, but has also had weird, fun concepts that don't rely on bragging about money and fame. I'm 100% sure that literally the only thing holding them back is that they're from a smaller company. Had they been from yg (though that would never happen, because yg seems to detest taking risks, but that's a conversation for later) they'd be the cultural moment you're talking about. I think it could be an interesting point of comparison between the two groups

with all due respect. call me a boomer but a bunch of teenagers with possible training debt telling us they are richer than us spending money is so comical. and yg. but at the same time its kinda iconic. btw having watched wireshreds review of this album now yours. two polar opposite opions. we love diversity in k-tube ✨✨

WONS AND YENS AND DOLLARS

Yeah, to me Drip is clearly and BY FAR the best song they ever promoted up until now, along side with Like That (even tho it's not a YG song by technicality). The song is, yes, a little predictable but the chorus is good, the post chorus is too and the vocals parts help the song because Babymonster is clearly a vocal group. The only problem I have would be with the choregraphy, because of the minors involved but eh. This is YG. Nobody's gonna talk about it lol.  
However, Click clack is, to me, what a korean 40's man thinks hip hop is and seeing the girls trying to fit this concept was kinda funny imo, like... It wasn't it, but because Drip and Forever are good singles, I'll forgive YG for this one. I'll not forgive for the Rukasa song tho.
I don't "like" the album, but I can see potential. Clearly vocals songs are songs that works for babymonster and it shows with songs such as Love Maybe and Really like you that I do appreciate for what they are doing here. You're right, tho : the quality control will have to be there in the future, because there is no way Woke up in Tokyo should've been release in the first place (yes, i'm traumatized) :)

Clik Clak caught me off guard because I am so tiiiired of the "we're making so much money / we're so much better than everyone else" stuff. But Clik Clak has SUCH a good beat and watching the performance videos it looks like the girls are having fun with it rather than seeming conceited. (and YG (from what I've read) doesn't saddle their trainees with debt so it is possible that Babymonster is already making $.)

Well honestly i hate how people are afraid to say they like the songs from baby monster bcs they're from yg or something. I really wish they'll continue having title tracks like drip and forever which are brighter,but still have the vibe and lyrics yg songs usually have. All of their songs are really catchy even though they might bit be the best songs ever and i like the album. The girls are really talented,so i really hope yg won't fail them. They seem to be doing a good enough job with baby monster so far,better than what i expected for sure,so yeah..

I don't know anything about Baby Monsters or this conversation, but if people are longing for the vibrant sound that 2nd generation brought, there is going to be a come back in sophistication after that. And then, it's going to be a come back of the thing that came after and the cycle will repeat itself again and again.

I just wish yg would actually give af about making the raps meaningful like what was the meaning of the rap in forever, ik not even a fan of them but it just FEELS like a need if we are bringing 2nd gen back in 5th gen

I was surprised how much I like this album. It falls in the category of mindless fun for me personally. Love In My Heart gives me the Lovesick Girls vibe. Totally my jam!

Billionaire >>>>

It's the cocky concept that makes me unable to fully enjoy the the group, the girls are very talented and they do look like have a lot of fun on their projects, but this superiority and "better than everyone else"  attitude they're pushing them to show 24/7 is not for me. Confidence and cockiness are different things

clik clak really wasn't my cup of tea but drip is my favorite song they've released. i've had it on repeat ever since it came out

The intro is so funny 😭

I LOVE LOVE LOVE ALMOST ALL OF THEIR B-SIDES (except woke up in tokyo). LOVE,MAYBE is a LITERAL emotion i freaking love it. REALLY LIKE YOU  is so cute esp the ending part, BILLIONAIRE is easily one of the best b-sides of this year i just wish there was more to it but its understandable why it's so short. LOVE IN MY HEART is such a feel good song that keeps you happy (not my fav but deffo not a bad one) and although majority hate CLIK CLAK, i enjoyed the rami and asa rap and the switch up at the end. Solid album along with DRIP and forever i'm deffo a fan now.

You raised an important issue - identity. Yes, BM since day one sounds like YG group, don’t have their own sound, own identity. I don’t see anything belonging BM, everything belongs to YG and their previous groups. I see 2ne1, I see Bigbang, I see even Ikon style, and just a little bit of Blackpink. But what is there specifically belongs to Babymonster?

I definitely think it’s an interesting perspective that they are in some way straying away from the sophistication on the kpop world today. I think this would REALLY work in their favor if they forged that identity more clearly tho.

Unfortunately there has not been a song that I can immediately say sounds LIKE BABYMONSTER which is where I think they are falling flat. Sheesh and Batter Up had numerous blackpink comparisons, Forever got immediately compared to I AM by IVE, Click Clack feels more on the lines of a Young Posse or Bad Villain song, Billionaire sounds like a rejected IVE song (in a very good way that’s my fave in the album), and Drip definitely feels like a YG song.

But I really want to here a project from them that can totally make them unique from any comparisons and let their abilities as artists shine.

It’s clear that YG is most definitely struggling to figure out what Babymonster is supposed to sound like, but personally I think it comes down to our vocal/rap positions. We have 4 members who are vocalists, 2 who are rappers, and one that can easily switch between both (Ahyeon). And personally, I think in order to set Babymonster apart from other YG groups, they need to prioritize their vocal line as much as possible because that’s really what sets them apart from the rest of their YG groups. Ahyeon and Rami are excellent vocalists, and Rora, Pharita, and Chiquita are great too.

Drip I think is the best way forward so far if YG is so concerned with making them sound YG enough. As long as the choruses for their songs going forward are full and vocally dynamic to show off Babymonster’s talents, then I see a bright path forward for them.

For Babymonster, i woul like that they continues to purse the sheesh concept where it seems like they are monsters into a fairytale. a mix of Monster High with Ever After High which it resemblace with the group name and their ages. But its so sophisticated for YG where they dont develovep concepts for their groups.

I'm loving their development I liked most tracks from DRIP.
The only thing I want from Babymonster is: Less English verses and more Korean verses in their musics.