Here are just a few of the dizzying predictions Emad Mostaque makes in today's episode:
"I think it's a good idea to borrow as much as you can right now because the entire economy is going to shift — you probably won't have to repay it."
"Within a thousand days, the nature of your job will become economically irrelevant if you work in anything on the other side of a screen."
"I don't think the big AI companies are going to survive the next few years."
Emad co-founded Stability AI, the company behind the text-to-image generator Stable Diffusion, and he now runs Intelligent Internet, which builds open-source AI models. In his new book, "The Last Economy," he argues that AI is about to make human intellect so cheap and abundant that the entire economic order — work, money, meaning — will crack apart. And he thinks this will take place within a thousand days. In this episode, he and Rufus talk about what happens if we sleepwalk into this, and what's possible if we don't.
Host: Rufus Griscom
Guest: Emad Mostaque
Show: The Next Big Idea
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:09 The Last Economy Thesis
02:08 From Hedge Funds to Stability AI
04:20 Competent Intelligence and Agents
05:57 Hard Takeoff and Agency Risks
07:16 Software Becomes a Prompt
09:01 Breakthroughs and Asking Questions
13:14 Humans Turn into a Liability
14:45 Ultra Fast Chips and Robot Labor
18:30 Intelligence Goes to Zero Cost
20:37 Personal Strategy and Abundance
31:00 AI First Companies Replace Margins
35:05 Why Economics Breaks Down
37:38 UBI To Fight Deflation
38:39 Jobs Vanish In Automation
39:46 Why AI Dividends Fail
41:39 State Champion Sovereign AI
44:41 Commoditization And Overbuild
46:35 Misalignment And Swarm Risk
51:10 Parallel Path To Governance
53:53 Personal AI And Trust
55:58 Sponsor Break
59:01 Three Futures For AI
01:01:30 Onchain Utilities And Coin
01:05:40 Currency Skepticism Answered
01:07:49 Against The Merge Mindset
01:12:17 Great Reversal To Local Life
01:14:26 Building Meaning Together
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Here are just a few of the dizzying predictions Emad Mostaque makes in today's episode:
"I think it's a good idea to borrow as much as you can right now because the entire economy is going to shift — you probably won't have to repay it."
"Within a thousand days, the nature of your job will become economically irrelevant if you work in anything on the other side of a screen."
"I don't think the big AI companies are going to survive the next few years."
Emad co-founded Stability AI, the company behind the text-to-image generator Stable Diffusion, and he now runs Intelligent Internet, which builds open-source AI models. In his new book, "The Last Economy," he argues that AI is about to make human intellect so cheap and abundant that the entire economic order — work, money, meaning — will crack apart. And he thinks this will take place within a thousand days. In this episode, he and Rufus talk about what happens if we sleepwalk into this, and what's possible if we don't.
Host: Rufus Griscom
Guest: Emad Mostaque
Show: The Next Big Idea
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:09 The Last Economy Thesis
02:08 From Hedge Funds to Stability AI
04:20 Competent Intelligence and Agents
05:57 Hard Takeoff and Agency Risks
07:16 Software Becomes a Prompt
09:01 Breakthroughs and Asking Questions
13:14 Humans Turn into a Liability
14:45 Ultra Fast Chips and Robot Labor
18:30 Intelligence Goes to Zero Cost
20:37 Personal Strategy and Abundance
31:00 AI First Companies Replace Margins
35:05 Why Economics Breaks Down
37:38 UBI To Fight Deflation
38:39 Jobs Vanish In Automation
39:46 Why AI Dividends Fail
41:39 State Champion Sovereign AI
44:41 Commoditization And Overbuild
46:35 Misalignment And Swarm Risk
51:10 Parallel Path To Governance
53:53 Personal AI And Trust
55:58 Sponsor Break
59:01 Three Futures For AI
01:01:30 Onchain Utilities And Coin
01:05:40 Currency Skepticism Answered
01:07:49 Against The Merge Mindset
01:12:17 Great Reversal To Local Life
01:14:26 Building Meaning Together
Sponsored By:
Fabric — Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family at https://www.meetfabric.com/nbi
Shopify — Start your $1/month trial at https://shopify.com/nbi
Granola — Get three months free at https://granola.ai/idea
Bitdefender — Get 30% off your plan at https://www.bitdefender.com/idea
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But there's a pattern worth noticing: the people making the most extreme predictions are often the ones who took big risks early and happened to win. Survivorship bias is powerful. For every Emad there are hundreds who thought the same way and lost everything. We don't hear their podcasts.
"Borrow as much as you can right now" is advice that costs him nothing to give and could cost you everything to follow.
On the technology itself: we still can't simulate a fly's brain — 100,000 neurons — despite decades of trying. Not because of computing power, but because we don't understand the architecture. The gap between pattern recognition (what AI does brilliantly) and genuine physical intelligence is still enormous. The 1000-day timeline for making most human work economically irrelevant assumes that gap closes on schedule. History suggests it won't.
Listen, think, but don't borrow.