「合理的な選択だった」スタンフォード大→マッキンゼーを辞めてパン屋を立ち上げ
トニー&りょうすけ
100,591 views
Our guest is Hali Mo, who went viral in Japan after a Business Insider Japan piece. When we floated the idea of this conversation on X, a lot of you responded. Thank you.
Economics and computer science at Stanford, then business analyst at McKinsey, then product manager at a startup in Silicon Valley.
An elite career all the way — and at 29 she quit, and opened a bakery.
Today she runs a micro-bakery in San Francisco on her own. Her Instagram is closing in on 100,000 followers.
Three things we talked about.
Why a move that looks strange from the outside — elite career to bakery — can be the rational one. Change what you expect of yourself and what counts as rational changes with it.
At what point inside an elite career you actually notice you are unhappy. The Sunday-night dread exists in America too.
What it takes to replace someone else's definition of "the best" with your own. As long as "everyone else is applying" is the reason, you will not find work that fits.
For anyone tired of chasing a clean résumé and looking for work that is actually theirs.
Thanks for making it through another week.
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Hali's Instagram: Instagram: halicopteraway
She runs the micro-bakery "Hali Home Bakes" single-handedly in San Francisco, and posts about pastry and career.
The Business Insider Japan article: https://www.businessinsider.jp/articl...
LinkedIn: LinkedIn: halimo1
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00:00 Opening — everything done right, up to 29
01:41 "Was baking a childhood passion?" Not at all
03:11 Weekends off McKinsey, and needing a hobby
05:55 A rational choice, or an emotional one
08:02 "If you're not delusional, it's irrational"
09:38 "Every single waking moment"
11:19 The Friday a chocolate bar went missing
12:40 Is "two years" a fair shot?
14:20 You need a bigger swing
17:04 Redefining what my best looks like
19:03 The anxious overachiever — what McKinsey hires for
20:21 The day it all clicked
23:24 What's left after you trim the fat
20 Comments
Hardcore achievement の話だけじゃなくてこういったその後のキャリアの話がすごく面白いです！
特にたいちさんとFelixさんと今回がめちゃ面白かったです。これからもその後の様々なキャリアのお話し期待しています！
「合理的な選択だった」スタンフォード大→マッキンゼーを辞めてパン屋を立ち上げ
トニー&りょうすけ
100,591 views
Our guest is Hali Mo, who went viral in Japan after a Business Insider Japan piece. When we floated the idea of this conversation on X, a lot of you responded. Thank you.
Economics and computer science at Stanford, then business analyst at McKinsey, then product manager at a startup in Silicon Valley.
An elite career all the way — and at 29 she quit, and opened a bakery.
Today she runs a micro-bakery in San Francisco on her own. Her Instagram is closing in on 100,000 followers.
Three things we talked about.
Why a move that looks strange from the outside — elite career to bakery — can be the rational one. Change what you expect of yourself and what counts as rational changes with it.
At what point inside an elite career you actually notice you are unhappy. The Sunday-night dread exists in America too.
What it takes to replace someone else's definition of "the best" with your own. As long as "everyone else is applying" is the reason, you will not find work that fits.
For anyone tired of chasing a clean résumé and looking for work that is actually theirs.
Thanks for making it through another week.
―――
Hali's Instagram: Instagram: halicopteraway
She runs the micro-bakery "Hali Home Bakes" single-handedly in San Francisco, and posts about pastry and career.
The Business Insider Japan article: https://www.businessinsider.jp/articl...
LinkedIn: LinkedIn: halimo1
―――
📺 Subscribe to the channel.
We post career stories and off-camera material that never makes it to YouTube.
▶Newsletter: https://stats.sender.net/forms/bDknvK...
▶Instagram
Tony&Ryosuke: Instagram: tonyandryosuke
Ryosuke: Instagram: ryosukemura1
Tony: Instagram: tonywonwoo
▶X
Tony&Ryosuke: https://x.com/tonyandryosuke
Ryosuke: https://x.com/RyosukeMura1
Tony: https://x.com/TonyWonwoo
▶Contact: info@tonyandryo.com
▶Podcast:
Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7mjn1vj...
Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id...
―――
00:00 Opening — everything done right, up to 29
01:41 "Was baking a childhood passion?" Not at all
03:11 Weekends off McKinsey, and needing a hobby
05:55 A rational choice, or an emotional one
08:02 "If you're not delusional, it's irrational"
09:38 "Every single waking moment"
11:19 The Friday a chocolate bar went missing
12:40 Is "two years" a fair shot?
14:20 You need a bigger swing
17:04 Redefining what my best looks like
19:03 The anxious overachiever — what McKinsey hires for
20:21 The day it all clicked
23:24 What's left after you trim the fat
サンフランシスコで一人でマイクロベーカリー「Hali Home Bakes」を営みながら、製菓とキャリアの発信をしています。
Business Insider Japanの記事: https://www.businessinsider.jp/article/2607-mckinsey-consultant-left-corporate-life-became-pastry-chef-started-bakery
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/halimo1/