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She also criticized Ventress for not being as skilled as Dooku in Form 2, and then proceeded to be completely curbstomped by Ventress when they dueled. One of the strongest Jedi my ass

It never sat well with me when Barris was trapped in the rubble and Luminara was basically like "Guess shes dead now, oh well". She didnt even try to rescue her

Say what you want about how George Lucas handled the prequel trilogy. However, his decision to show the absolute corruption and hypocrisy of both the Jedi and the republic gives the audiences a greater understanding of how these two institutions of power can fall and lead to the creation of the galactic empire.

If Lumirara was more passionate and caring to her padawan, maybe Bariss wouldn’t have had fallen so deeply in the darkside

I think it's funny how Kanan thought she'd a better teacher than him. She was the last teacher Ezra would want

Luminara’s behavior during the rescue of hers and Anakin’s apprentices really gets on my nerves. The entire time, she is essentially telling Anakin to give up, more or less saying that they are already dead. And if it wasn’t for Anakin’s determination, they would be. And yet after he does rescue them, Luminara claims that she never gave up on them despite the fact that that was literally what she was doing the entire time.

If I didn’t know better, I’d say Luminara was trying to get the padawans killed.

Barrie once said “do you ever question if it’s actually right for us to shut down our emotions in times of war?” Well judging by everything that happened, looks like that was really not a good way of teaching.

Also don't forget that Luminara Undulii is the Jedi who told young Trace and Rafa Martez to essentially just "suck it up" after a speeder crashed into their apartment and killed their parents during a chase with Ziro... Great values on this woman

An ex gf and I used to crack up making fun of Luminara and Baris in this episode. Baris seemed resigned to death and Luminara seemed as resigned to Baris' death as Baris was. So morbid and goth. We used to laugh our asses off, impersonating them in various, imagined, life-threatening situations.

I feel bad for Barris Offee for not having a master who cared for her the way that Anakin did for Ahsoka.  I agree, the war broke Barris, what she said about how the Republic was failing and that it was only a matter of time was entirely true.  

Honestly I think that the war took a toll on Anakin too, by episode 3 he was tired and worn down by the war, his frustration and distrust of the council, the pressure of being the Chosen One, etc…It’s no wonder he finally snapped and went all dark side.

I remember reading a book about Revan.  He was recently redeemed and returned to the Jedi order.  But the Jedi order did not want Revan to teach padawans.  Even though he taught many apprentices.  The consulers of the order did not like Revan, who mastered the dark and light sides of the force and saw his views and knowledge of the force as a danger of upsetting the dogmatic view of the Jedi. Any innovation is stifled in an environment like the jedi order.

I had an idea: I think the true start of Barriss's fall might have been the brain worm episode.  Even though the worm was removed from her, consider the sheer terror and PTSD she must have felt from being mind-controlled by an eldritch bug alien.  And what would Luminara say to Barriss after that?  "You did your best," or something worthless like that.  The absolute lack of empathy Luminara would have shown would have cemented how awful the Jedi were.  And yes, combine this episode with the previous Super Tank episode when Luminara gave up on saving Barriss.

Nearly died, got brainwashed, then nearly died again?  Nah fam, you're just doing your job and the Force works in mysterious ways.  Now move on and keep fighting battle droids.

The real question is how many children have the jedi left in pits because "It is their time"

I viewed Master Luminara as being very rigid.  While not unbendable she, like her padawan had trouble adapting when things don't go to plan.  Such as her fight with Ventress.  A pure duel Luminara had the upper hand, but when Ventress started using underhanded tactics Luminara practically crumbled.

I'm curious why the plan was to send the padawans off instead of one master and one padawan to handle each part of the mission.

Honestly I felt Mace represented the worst of the order. Not a bad person, just more loyal to institution of the Republic than everyday people of the Republic.  His strict attachment to the republic actually aided in its destruction and all he had to do was be nice to a 9 year old kid who missed his mother.

Luminara was being illogical, a Padawin is a vital resource and shouldn't be discarded casually.
She had put time and effort into training her Padawin, from her own viewpoint she should have tried to at least confirm that her investment had been lost before abandoning the rescue effort.

Jeez what was Luminaras own master like?

Your comments about Luminara and Bariss not being fit for war are spot on.  That was the insidious genius of  Sidious' plan.  The Jedi, with the exception of a few, were not fit to lead troops in a war.  Not only would this weaken the Republic resources, but it would necessarily put the Jedi in a spot that removed them from the peace process (which is where Luminara and Ki Adi Mundi belonged), while at the same time killing off scores of powerful Jedi Masters and Knights.

I'd say Mundi was probably worse, mostly because of his blatant psychopathic following of the code, while hypocritically benefitting from special treatment.