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AI Companies Scraped the Web and Are Destroying the Human Internet

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Jason Kint, the CEO of Digital Content Next, has kept a close eye on some of the biggest tech antitrust and copyright court cases. Kint has a knack for finding particularly incriminating court records in complex ongoing lawsuits. We talk to Kint about the pressures that human creators are under in an AI world, the New York Times' lawsuit against OpenAI, and why Meta's Cambridge Analytica scandal is relevant again.

00:00 The AI “Doom Loop”
01:54 How Jason Kint Tracks Big Tech Lawsuits
04:00 How AI Is Reshaping the Creator Economy
05:18 How Big Tech Extracted Value From Publishers
06:43 Meet Digital Content Next
08:28 The Surveillance Advertising Business
10:43 Why Google and Meta Have an Advertising Advantage
14:06 Google AI Overviews and the Collapse of Search Traffic
16:21 Why the New York Times Case Could Set the Rules for AI
25:05 How the New York Times Lawsuit Could End
26:48 What Happens Next in the OpenAI Copyright Case?
30:08 What Would a Fair Outcome Look Like?
31:30 The AI “Horse Trading” Between Microsoft and OpenAI
32:33 Why Cambridge Analytica Is Back in the Spotlight
35:46 What Really Happened With Facebook’s Data?
38:49 What Can Publishers Do to Fight Back?
41:20 How Publishers Can Survive the AI Era
42:38 The Most Important Takeaway From the Court Records

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20 Comments

@far-flung-one 7 hours ago

We don't hate rich people BECAUSE they are rich, or out of jealousy, as they say. We mistrust the rich because of THEIR HISTORICAL BEHAVIOR PATTERN OF HURTING EVERYONE ELSE on the planet. Becoming rich means selling your soul, and being born rich means you and your parents are souless. Enjoy being trapped here. 🕊️

@BBigg-kh7pz 8 hours ago

Narcissistic sociopaths aren't logical, just self involved.

@heynowls 7 hours ago

These AI tech bros and CEO’s are dirt bag amoral vampires. Every day, I loath them more & more.

@SonOfRamenEgg 9 hours ago

It is an odd industry that does what it wants regarding training content and simultaneously calls model distillation theft .

@far-flung-one 7 hours ago

Remember: Only YOU can help poison AI.

@TheLadyMoons 6 hours ago

Thanks for keeping this public. I was thinking… would it have been less evil if the money earn/stolen was put into opportunities for society to improve opportunities… and then I remembered there was never the option of evil not being evil. It’s so sad.

@hepthegreat4005 7 hours ago

It's a parasite. It needs the data from the internet to function, but is killing the business model of the internet, so no new data.

@WarHoundMcDoogle 7 hours ago

No one I know has accepted to be tracked, monitored , data collected and sold on their personal use on the internet.
It's an invasion of privacy that simply saying "well don't use it" canard cant be accepted as anything more than a pro-digital slavery dog whistle.

@mick8888V 4 hours ago

I have never and will never, forget Cambridge Analytica.

@kantemirovskaya 7 hours ago

Good episode, I thought I was gonna cut it off after the first minute, but really good reporting love the back-and-forth. Keep up the great work.

@bb58425a 6 hours ago

the ill will knows no boundaries and teaching the models that cheating is okay is effectively inviting AI to find humans useless and destructive

@nullfield-eo8rx 5 hours ago

When's my class action check. I wasnt paid for my creative works that were used to train their models. I don't remember that being legal

@SovereignYogi-e5y 2 hours ago

They want us to pay for the service of getting completely screwed. I don’t want the service. Thank you for understanding. No, I don’t want your app. No, I don’t want your subscriptions and honestly, I never want to see another marketer.

@TrineDaely 4 hours ago

They're stealing more than what's on the internet. They're stealing lives. And all of it is accelerating.

@maquismaven3590 2 hours ago

We're going to have to rebuild the internet.

@utofbu 5 hours ago

I sure hope every American that can verify what was stolen from them opens a case, and floods these AI companies with this new precedent, so that these companies subsidize the value-loss and tax abuse they are doing every day.

In reality, these AI companies are stealing taxes too. They are abusing every citizen on Earth, on purpose. Destroying future prospects, and condemning everyone to an unimaginative world filled with vanilla text.

@ronisin710 2 hours ago

Targeted ads aren't effective for me and others I know. It makes us never click on ads.

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@ViolentOrchid 4 hours ago

It's funny Google is using AI for content ID but these companies are arguing their model's output based on the training data is transformative. Both of those things cannot be true.

@CurrenDags 6 hours ago (edited)

If these idiots were running botnet servers of this scope they would have been shutdown and put on trial. I can't use a copyrighted song on Youtube, but LLM companies can steal the entire song. IP theft at scale and mass wave illegal hacking yet no one is doing a damn thing to stop it.