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“Two part series” see you guys in part 5

You know shit's major when it's current but the Lodge talks about it anyway.

I'm of the opinion that this case should've never been televised and publicized the way it was. It's done a disservice to everyone involved, and it's frustrating trying to pick through the truth and the conspiracies.

24:48 as someone who lives with severe mental illness- if someone "suddenly gets a lot better" - please please please know that is a huge red flag. Make plans, keep them company, etc.

So early that we have no nickels.

As a mom who had postpartum issues, i remember very vividly holding my baby and not knowing if i had already hurt her and being absolutely terrified. Called my mom and she told me not to get off the phone til she arrived and walked me through setting the baby down in a safe place and walking to another room. Luckily i had daily nurse home visits because i had a c section and i was able to get help and it was very temporary for me. But i absolutely feel for moms with postpartum issues. It is like watching a movie and then suddenly you are IN the movie! My kids 13 now and we talk openly about how it is better to complain about struggling than to ever try to walk this road alone. ❤

My suicide hotline experience is ridiculous. It was completely automated. I never actually spoke to a real human. I laughed so hard. In their defense, the laughter did stop the suicide.

The narrative that the husband was actually somehow the actual mastermind behind the kids' murders really does make it seem like people have been brainrotted from movies and stories needing to have a twist villain, hiding in plain sight.

As a medical provider, ssris are not mood stabilizers. Just making that clear. Lithium is an example of a mood stabilizer.

Regardless of what did or didn't happen the biggest tragedy is that those poor kids won't get any sort of justice

Tik tok has ruined a lot of people’s mind on this case

As someone with BPD (not bipolar, but they share many similarities) this case is especially heartbreaking to me because I’ve experienced drastic medication switches, though not nearly as many as Lindsey had, but they were easily the worst days of my life. There are no words that can describe what that mental state is like, and I never even had hallucinations. The doctors failing to listen or see what’s right in front of them is so normal it’s exhausting. The kids are still the real victims here though, but I’m sorry for everyone involved. There’s just no winning in a case like this
(Also can’t even count the number of times me and the people in my life had said the exact words of “it feels like the doctors are just throwing medication at us and seeing what sticks”)

One of the biggest issues we have as a society is the lack of critical thinking when it comes to what we see as truth. Multiple things can be true at once. Life is not black and white.








Edit/some additional context to explain what it is that I’m trying to say:

Some people seem to believe that my way of thinking would open up the possibility for people to excuse her actions/use my thinking to say something along the lines of “well yes they did that but they didn’t DO it”.

Trigger warning for s*icide:
As someone who is bipolar, I’ve done things where I was NOT in the right mind and also felt like a passenger in my own body whilst doing things. I’ve felt out of control and essentially watched myself do things, like taking a very unsafe dose of Tylenol. That wouldn’t have killed me immediately, that would’ve taken a couple of days, and LOGICALLY/IN MY BRAIN I knew that wouldn’t kill me. This was something sudden. I was truly almost watching myself do it whilst fighting back for control. Immediately after, I threw it all back up, because my brain was finally able to take back over. If I had truly wanted to die, I wouldn’t have used only Tylenol. I had a whole medicine cabinet available to me with multiple different medications ALONGSIDE where the Tylenol bottle was before I took it. What are the truths of that situation?
I could’ve died (eventually), that was an attempt on my life, I was not mentally okay, and I was NOT in control of my physical actions or body.
However- doctors didn’t believe that last part and it took a long time for people to take me serious when I said I had extreme mood swings that led me to doing that despite fully knowing that Tylenol was not enough to do that. Eventually, I was diagnosed with bipolar but ONLY because I was tested for ADHD. My actions hurt the people around me, traumatized my loved ones, and messed up important events in my life.
I did and still do not view that incident in the same way my loved ones do. I just needed to regulate the emotions and swings NOT my thoughts. I saw that attempt as something that was motivated by something alongside a mental/emotional disorder, something that CBT wouldn’t help solve or fix in any way (at that point). I was right.
My loved ones? They don’t see it that way. They do not understand how I could do that or why I did that. They truly cannot understand what I meant by saying my logical thinking brain was not in control or working WITH my emotions or physical body. In their eyes, I did it on purpose, with intent, and I was in control. Which is a fair conclusion, but that’s not what actually happened. BUT that doesn’t change the fact that I did swallow pills and therefore attempted to end my life in some way.
I am not equating my attempt to someone killing their children, I am simply trying to illustrate my point that tragedies and tragic events aren’t always so cut and dry. She did something horrible, she regrets what she did, but she didn’t do it because she completely WANTED to. But- she still did it. She killed them. She is guilty of that. But she shouldn’t be punished in the same way that someone would be for planning to kill their children, then actually killing their children because they hated their children and they wanted to get rid of those innocent children. Same actions- but different circumstances. Both situations are horrendous and irredeemable actions taken by a person, but one of them could’ve been prevented with the proper mental help, and the other was something that genuinely had no explanation other than that person is horrible. They should not be judged in the exact same way or punished in the exact same way.

Another example, that is NOT completely applicable in this case, entirely related, or very comparable is this.
Two people have killed someone. Person A killed someone because they wanted to, and person B did it in self defense. At the end of the day, the BOTH killed someone. They did the same thing (take a human life), BUT the circumstances were completely different and therefore those situations shouldn’t be judged in the same manner.
They do not deserve the same treatment or judgement, even though they both ended someone’s life.

I can't imagine leaving kids alone with someone who said she had thoughts of killing them. I'd be too afraid of the risk. But I also get that no one wants to believe someone they love would murder their own kids.
This whole situation just sucks. Those poor kids.

Thank you for telling us about the children's personalities and making them visible rather than the crap online about "view them as ceramic vases". Too often victims get lumped into just names and nothing more.

Hoping Patrick takes the evil morons accusing him of murdering his children and/or SAing his daughter for every cent they've got.

Hi! I’d love to suggest the unsolved case of John “Jack” Wheeler III. He was a former Pentagon official and presidential adviser who disappeared in December 2010 under extremely strange circumstances. In the days before his death, CCTV captured him wandering around Wilmington looking confused and dishevelled, at one point carrying one of his shoes and saying his briefcase had been stolen. He repeatedly seemed unable to explain where he was going or what had happened to him.

There was also a bizarre incident involving smoke bombs at a neighbour’s house that Wheeler had been involved in a long-running dispute over. Then, only hours after he was last seen alive on CCTV, his body somehow ended up inside a commercial dumpster miles away and was discovered when it fell from a garbage truck at a landfill. His death was ruled a homicide caused by blunt-force trauma, but no one has ever been charged. There are so many odd, unresolved details in the final 48 hours of his life that I think it would make a fascinating episode.

This is my first deep dive into the case. I am glad I waited.

It's crazy to me that they let her change up her medications so frequently. Every mental health professional I've ever seen (and I've seen a lot) has insisted that I stay on any new antidepressant for at least three weeks before stopping it