Thanks, Timothy... I've been looking forward to you doing something on hi-hats, and look forward to future posts. I currently have 5 pair of hi-hats, I just find them such a fun and expressive part of the kit. I might even look at you crafting me a pair of 15" in the New Year. Cheers.
Thanks! I have noticed what you said about me liking a sound behind the kit, that later might not work at the gig. I’ve also found that for the pop, rock gigs I do I need a heavy, thick bottom hi hat. And the top hi hat can be pretty thin. I’ve also tried thin top and thin bottom, and when I hear back recordings from those gigs I can’t hear the hi hats. :-)
Wonderful video! Hi hats are so underappreciated. They can literally speak for themselves. I use different weights and styles for different venues. This is one area where, "one size fits all" does not apply.
Your playing at 2:30 is exactly the sound that I like. When not playing the "2 and 4" I lift my heel on these), the hi hats really help a waltz on the "2 and 3" (I leave my heel down and press gently on the toes) or on the "1" (heavier on the toes on "1").
Even without sticks or brushes on the hi hats, they should stand out, "just enough". When there is a break in the song, the couples on the dance floor still need something to guide them.
Playing with brushes and wood tip sticks, gently or aggressively, can give the hi hats many different personalities.
Don't forget the acoustics in the room (fabric, carpet, hard floors and walls, etc.) and the size of the room and ceilings. Everything affects what you hear which is not necessarily what the audience hears.
Thank you! You obviously have a lot of experience and knowledge for you young age. I'm 74 years old and I'm still learning. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Timothy, your knowledge of sound definition has helped me alot to decide what kind of hi hats I need to accompany myself while I play jazz guitar. Mucho Grazie ! Spiderfingersrob, Happy New Year !
Fuck yeah Amigo, been hoping for a hats video. I’d love another maybe covering sizes? Great chops to boot! I’ve been rocking 16s myself 1100g on the top and 850g on the bottom. It’s like playing a slurpee! Super stank and trashy just like me😂
Gotta tell ya, Tim . . . I'm drinking up your knowledge. Sometime in the (hopefully) near future I'll do some business with you. Your knowledge of cymbals is expert. I have yet to view any of your videos on your various drums. I'll start paying attention. BTW - I'm mighty curious about how much time you spend in your shop? You're always 'at-it', I assume. I'm curious because my father and his brothers and their father spent a hell of a lot of time in the shop as tool & die makers. When he got home from work, the . . . . . um, ''fragrance'' of the shop was with him; even with his sweat. I spent time there, and it hit me - I'm not a shop guy. Thanks Tim.
One thing possibly worth mentioning re: a top hihat is the amount of curve to the bow. I haven't measured this, but I've heard that top hihat cymbals are generally more akin to ride cymbals than crashes in this regard, which makes sense. I haven't reworked hat cymbals very much at all so I may not know what I'm talking about here, but in the case of a top cymbal that I felt like lightening up on the lathe but was afraid of losing the stiffness required for stick definition/foot sound, my first-pass, naive approach would be to check for changes in its profile frequently.
Very interesting take on the weight of the hihat cymbals, thanks! Do you think it would be possible to have a medium weight hihat cymbal that can function as bottom under a light top and also as top on a heavy bottom? Than one could play the light/medium set for practice and low volume gigs and the medium/heavy set when more projection is needed...
Tim, have you been able to figure out what causes the pitch-bending effect in hi-hats, when they are closed with varying foot pressure? It's something that really annoys me and I try to avoid in a pair. I'm wondering if it's due to if there is a thinner band of alloy in either cymbal, between the bell and edge. I notice Paistes, esp. ones with heavier bottoms, tend to be pretty good for not pitch bending (and being some of the most awesome hats in general); my Dark Energy hats barely have any discernable bending. Thanks
What You Need To Know About Hi-Hats - Timothy Roberts Cymbals