In a country where the polarization between Lula and Bolsonaro has consumed the political debate, Karnal argues that the deepest problem lies not in the leadership, but in the absence of a conservative, democratic, cultured, and ethical right wing, in the style of Angela Merkel or Margaret Thatcher.

He explains why voter distrust is justified, how political adherence doesn't work through rational logic but through group belonging, and what would be necessary for Brazil to finally have a right wing that reads the classics, respects democracy, and proposes concrete policies instead of symbols.

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Full episode: LEANDRO KARNAL | RivoTalks #134
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Presented by:
Cecilia Flesch (Instagram: ceciliaflesch)
Gabriel Wainer (Instagram: gabrielswainer)
Guest:
Leandro Karnal (Instagram: leandro_karnal)
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