Remington 870 Years to Avoid — and the Exact Year the Quality Died
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I've owned Remington 870s that outlived two pickup trucks. I've also handled ones that couldn't feed a second shell out of the box. Same name stamped on the receiver. The gap between those two experiences isn't luck. It has a date on it. Or close enough to one that I can point at it.
In this video:
Why the 1987 split into Wingmaster and Express lines is the real dividing line most people miss, same receiver and twin action bars, but the polishing and hand-fitting attention diverged
The actual mechanical failures behind the complaints: rough, under-polished chambers causing stuck shells and stovepiping, and a weaker matte finish letting surface rust take hold on budget guns
Why 2007's Cerberus Capital/Freedom Group ownership change is the honest answer to "the exact year," not because of a dramatic overnight ruin, but because cost-cutting quietly landed hardest on the budget Express line while the Wingmaster kept its standards
The telling proof point: the 870 Police (870P), which departments forced Remington to keep building to the old standard because the cost-cut Express guns weren't reliable enough for duty use
The real reversal buyers need to know: a clean Wingmaster from the "bad years" beats a rough Express from the "good years," meaning model line matters more than the year stamped on the receiver
The honest fairness check on Express guns from that era: plenty run perfectly fine, the issue is variance and odds, not blanket junk
Remington's two bankruptcies (2018 and 2020) and the breakup that created RemArms under the Roundhill Group, followed by the 2024 closure of the historic Ilion, New York plant and the move to LaGrange, Georgia
Why the modern caution has shifted from the metal to the company itself: reports of unpaid creditors, foreclosure risk, and murky production status meaning warranty and parts support are the real unknowns on new guns
A necessary correction: the infamous "fires without a trigger pull" scandal and mass recall belonged entirely to the Model 700 rifle's trigger design, not the 870 shotgun, and shouldn't be conflated with it
The practical ten-second inspection routine that beats any date: check the chamber for smoothness (unloaded, of course), work the action for grit or rattle, look for rust or freckling in the finish, and wiggle the forend for looseness
If you're going to name the moment quality started to slip, it's 2007, when the company changed hands and started running for margins instead of reputation, landing hardest on the budget Express guns until the first bankruptcy. It's not a switch that flipped at midnight. It's an era, landing hardest on the cheapest guns, while the better lines kept their footing. The gun never died. A company did, twice. Buy the individual gun in front of you, not the legend behind it.
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It's build like a tank and has NEVER, ever malfunctioned, even though it has been handled as a truck gun most of the time (Condition 3 always... in fact it's how she lives). Fast to the shoulder, smooth as butter action and shoots anything 12 gauge without a hitch. I do like my ARs just a much as anyone else, mind you. Particularly my 300BLK 7"brl PDW and my 12"brl 300BLK general purpose carbine but, I just love that shotgun. And it has traveled with me on different assignments, all over my little sunny corner of paradise without anyone giving it a second look. Something I would not have been able to do with either AR... So, yeah. Call me a poster boy fan of that particular 870. 🙂
Remington 870 Years to Avoid — and the Exact Year the Quality Died
Ivan's Journal
3,103 views
📖 Get The Old Gun Hand, fifty years at the gunsmith's bench, written down: https://ivansjournal.com
I've owned Remington 870s that outlived two pickup trucks. I've also handled ones that couldn't feed a second shell out of the box. Same name stamped on the receiver. The gap between those two experiences isn't luck. It has a date on it. Or close enough to one that I can point at it.
In this video:
Why the 1987 split into Wingmaster and Express lines is the real dividing line most people miss, same receiver and twin action bars, but the polishing and hand-fitting attention diverged
The actual mechanical failures behind the complaints: rough, under-polished chambers causing stuck shells and stovepiping, and a weaker matte finish letting surface rust take hold on budget guns
Why 2007's Cerberus Capital/Freedom Group ownership change is the honest answer to "the exact year," not because of a dramatic overnight ruin, but because cost-cutting quietly landed hardest on the budget Express line while the Wingmaster kept its standards
The telling proof point: the 870 Police (870P), which departments forced Remington to keep building to the old standard because the cost-cut Express guns weren't reliable enough for duty use
The real reversal buyers need to know: a clean Wingmaster from the "bad years" beats a rough Express from the "good years," meaning model line matters more than the year stamped on the receiver
The honest fairness check on Express guns from that era: plenty run perfectly fine, the issue is variance and odds, not blanket junk
Remington's two bankruptcies (2018 and 2020) and the breakup that created RemArms under the Roundhill Group, followed by the 2024 closure of the historic Ilion, New York plant and the move to LaGrange, Georgia
Why the modern caution has shifted from the metal to the company itself: reports of unpaid creditors, foreclosure risk, and murky production status meaning warranty and parts support are the real unknowns on new guns
A necessary correction: the infamous "fires without a trigger pull" scandal and mass recall belonged entirely to the Model 700 rifle's trigger design, not the 870 shotgun, and shouldn't be conflated with it
The practical ten-second inspection routine that beats any date: check the chamber for smoothness (unloaded, of course), work the action for grit or rattle, look for rust or freckling in the finish, and wiggle the forend for looseness
If you're going to name the moment quality started to slip, it's 2007, when the company changed hands and started running for margins instead of reputation, landing hardest on the budget Express guns until the first bankruptcy. It's not a switch that flipped at midnight. It's an era, landing hardest on the cheapest guns, while the better lines kept their footing. The gun never died. A company did, twice. Buy the individual gun in front of you, not the legend behind it.
Two 12s and a 20.
Never a glitch.