I just love that this was a civil, intelligent discussion.

My man Justin got the Wii Sports theme in the interlude 😂❤️

Such a great, edifying conversation.  Great work guys.

I may just be theologically illiterate, but I felt like this discussion was rather pointless. Both are right and neither one was really disagreeing with anything the other was saying. So in the end I’m left wondering, what exactly are we debating here?

Graham Cole once said that it was good that we didn't need to understand justification to be justified.

Thank you for uploading brother's in Christ.

Love that Unbelievable has a Youtube Channel. ! im so glad

It took me a while to get the crux of what N.T. Wright believes. He is quite an interesting scholar. He is very kingdom minded.  

A GREAT debate on justification.

would be nice to hear a condensed version of this where we only hear them talking.

Thanks. Enjoyed the discussion.

By the way, if you have a NASB, check the footnote for the word "blameless" in Gen 6:9.

Please upload more of your shows on YouTube! Some of the most engaging stuff on the web, but I can't play from your website on my mobile. :(

Ooh man, how ironic this is.
A "reformed" guy wants to follow his traditions and an Anglican is the one urging him to go back to the scriptures and get it right.
I am glad to be alive to see this.

Listening to mature well informed conversations like this with two major league pastor makes me feel as if I'm at the bottom of the mountain of scriptural and theological home work again. My goodness!

I don't know about this... somehow it was all a bit vague and like a boxing match that was all about evading. In the gospels we have a clear presentation of what justification meant for Jews, we can look at the story in Luke 18... What about being the children of Abraham... well we can see what Christ thinks about that John 8, Mt 3...

Good dialog about a tough topic

Appreciate your channel Justin and for this video particularly. A very good start to bridging the two sides in a fruitful and civil way.
I think NT wright's main point is- faith without works is dead- true faith is faith that results in action. A true love of God that results in love for neighbor. We can't say we believe and show no signs of faith- even CS Lewis tells of this of a person climbing down a hill by a rope held by someone. And Wright has made it clear that this 'works' that accompany faith is by grace alone. I just hope he doesn't say the quantity of that works matter for salvation, even though its presence matters.  

I don't think this is in conflict with the Reformed tradition- God commands us, but we can't do it- so he empowers us and does it through us.
For Salvation He commands all to believe in Christ but no one can unless the Holy Spirit convicts and removes the veil-  and so also is sanctification(I think)- God commands a faith that bears fruit, a genuine faith- not an 'I don't know you' faith- a faith that is alive, that results in action- 'He that endures to the end will be saved' and this faith is started and sustained(held fast) and perfected by Christ Himself.

And I don't think either side will deny this. Just that- NT says one end of the stick is necessary (fruit/faith that results in action) while the Reformed tradition says the other end is indispensable (faith and faith alone). But in between both the ends God is the one lifting and holding the stick up.

I think this boils down to 'genuine faith' - one that is fully trusting in Christ- a validation of the Reformed view of faith and purification/ sieving of it from superficial faith by Wright's points.

Ultimately it's not faith that saves but faith in Christ that does (as Spurgeon said) and it isn't works that is pleasing to God but works that flows from faith, no matter how small it be(the thief on the cross)- for without faith it is impossible to please Him.
In the midst of all these debates, very helpful and important as they are, we shouldn't forget that it is ultimately the goodness of God and who He is that is the point of all things- His glory- and that He is the one justifying us, sanctifying us and will one day glorify us. We forfeited Eden and relationship with God because we distrusted His word over the devil's. Now in an ironic way He is bringing us back to Him through faith in 'the Word'- Christ. We shouldn't set aside the fruit of the Tree of Life because we want to know the mechanism of why and how it is tasty.

Thank you for this much-needed conversation, a great example of how we need to have an integrated approach to theology, rather than the segregationist, false dichotomy approach we tend to follow when the complexities of scripture drive us to over-simplify.

Glad Wright pressed White on 2 Cor 5:21 because in Reformed theology, they absolutely insist that this is a forensic imputation Justification passage, just as they do in Romans 5:19. The former says we "become" the righteousness of God and the latter that we are "made" righteous. Yet the Reformed vehemently deny that in Justification anyone becomes or is made righteous, but that it is a declaration of status, occurring extra nos.

It was just getting good! It was at the end that the real issue was just starting to come out.