When you talk about the descendants of Amdapor, it's worth noting that they Amdaporians weren't the only ones who took refuge in the spine and Gyr Abania. We know from the  Red Mage lore that some of Mhach's survivors were also among those guided to Gyr Abania by Rhalgr's "star". Since mages caused the calamity, the people there hunted and persecuted mages, so the Amdapori White Mages and Mhachi Black mages in Gyr Abania banded together for protection and taught each other their magic, becoming the first Red Mages. There were also probably people already there (Skalla had already existed up there), and nomads from Ilsabard likely steadily trickled in as well. But the majority were probably Amdapori. But being a tribal/clan-based society for a while, people tend to get jumbled over time, as historical examples show

At least some of the Hyur from Gelmorra/Gridania were likely of Amdapori descent as well, given some of the similarities between the cultures. Most of what we're given directly about the history of the races in Eorzea from the Fifth Umbra/Sixth Astral Era is said by Koji Fox himself to be biased in its perspective (seeming to be mostly Ul'Dahn Lalafell in its POV), and those same sources say there werent Hyur in Eorzea at all until the invasions from Ilsabard during that same era (which we know is false--though they likely werent the majority in Eorzea until the Ilsabardian migrations). Probably the Hyur of the Fifth Astral Era are written out because the Lalas were the elites of Mhach, the lower classes of Mhach who were left behind when the Void Ark set off were mostly Hyur, and their rival nation was Hyur majority too.

Thank you for the video. I have been absolutely obsessed with Amdapor the moment I first walked into the dungeon and heard the OST. And the boss, the enemies, the map, the *aesthetics*? It only fueled me into looking up more and ended up going down a rabbit hole. This video does a great job of explaining the city of Amdapor, and you've raised some interesting point. Especially with how the history of magic is connected to the city. I kinda like how Niniri presents the content and Elioaux interprets it, it's a nice format, especially for a long video. I kind of wish there was subs, there were many parts where I wasn't sure what was being said, though I know it's very hard for such a long video.  Can't wait to see more.

It's easy to see who caused the war the Accians played both sides against each other.

This is really good. The back and forth commentary really helped paint the picture for

Weird guy in a jester costume, walking around saving people.

Yup, that definitely sounds like a player character. Archon WoL confirmed.

Amadapor is one of my favorite parts of the 5th Astral Era, so thank you for the video! Personally I do think Amadapor was mostly a moral civilization and that it foreshadows the events of Shadowbringers, not only in the appearance of soulkin in the form of sin eaters but also the events that led to the flood. Like Ardbert and friends they too fought a force of darkness (Mhach) that was threatening the rest of the land and like Arbert the conflict between the two brought a flood. (though this one being a actual flood thanks to the overabundance of water aether)

As for the reincarnation section of the video, I do think its pretty much canon at this point. After all, Elidibus' memories in "Faded Memories" highly implies that Azem was the WoL of the First/FF1, using the WoL as inspiration and strength before ultimately taking his form later on. Honestly his friendship with Azem turning into a desperate hatred is just as sad, if not more so considering how young he is, as Emet-Selch's relationship with Azem. However, unlike you guys I'm not adverse to the chosen one trope.

We recently learned that when Voidsent are defeated, they dont die because Voidsent can never die, they just go back to the void in one way or another. Maybe the Amdaporians knew this too. By sealing them away instead of killing them, it removes them off the playing field for as long as they are sealed.

We may yet get your dream expac Elio, after all FF XI has already set the precedent for an FF MMO visiting a lore-foundational war by traveling back to that period :3

i loved the intro thanks for making your characters talk.

I am so glad I found this channel. I used to love to dig into WoW lore before that got all screwed up. I'm glad there's people who talk about lore in FFXIV.

I'm glad I found your channel. I'm also a big fan of War of the Magi lore. These discussion videos are pretty chill and pleasant to listen too, and the shorter vids are great too.

Say, have you looked up about the classes of the Ancients (Emet-Selch, Hythlodaeus, Venat) and thought that they might have some hidden relation to some of the playable classes?

Emet-Selch: Black Mage, Dark Knight
Hythlodaeus: Bard
Venat: Paladin, White Mage, Dancer

I remember seeing in the FFXIV forum that there is some story related to Bard that uncanningly mirrors the endboss of Endwalker. it reminds immediately of Hythlodaeus.

I was going to type: "So, given the 6th Calamity was caused by everything but water being drained... that makes sense to me because Black Mages use Lightning, Fire and Ice in combat, and White Mages use Wind and Earth in combat, but White Mages have very few Water elemental combat spells despite it being associated with them
So given the two use every element except Water in war, it's understandable that only Water would remain in abundance"
But you addressed that yourself, glad someone agrees with me

Tenzen is not as explicit as y'all are claiming.  Tenzen bound his soul into the binding that he ends up helping the Warrior of Light to restore.  There's similarity but I don't believe that Tenzen is a former incarnation of the current WoL.  He's closer to Ysayle.  Also chosen by Hydaelyn to be a Warrior of Light.

i LOVE the idea of lookout points being echoes of the past!! a great way to teach us of the past!!

"not enough to commit to it"

Ampdapor: GOLEMS AND GOLEMS AND GOLEMS OH MY

if only we had more of it to explore

As a DM running a DnD campaign based in the War of the Magai, this video (and the other 2 in this series) are GOLD!
Thank you for putting this together!

I LOVE seeing the characters so much and omg Niniri is the cutest ever. Fantastic video as always; I really enjoy the lore talks and now I need to hurry up and get to Endwalker so I can listen to your new series, it sounds like it will be amazing

Caught Niniri on the Lore Lines podcast and so glad I found the channel! War of the Magi is such an interesting time period and I'm glad y'all gave it so much attention in this series!

mold is fungi and fungi is most definitely not plant! So it's normal that fungi takes over when the plants are weakened. Fungi are almost exclusively predatory, meaning that they extract nutrients from other living matter.