Just found out about Jack from the jubilee debate- so impressed with his ability to communicate

BROOOOOOO youre an OG! where have you been all our vegan lives?!

I love how you tell him that the crop deaths argument doesn't hold water, and then he instantly parrots the crop deaths argument.

you are brilliantly leading that conversation but he keeps getting distracted by his rabbit hole of excuses. Intellectually you two are like night and day

Yes, makes my day to find a new, articulate person like jack!

Joe talked more than he was willing to listen. Fact is he doesn’t need to hunt and kill animals, he wants to.

Imagine if Joe rogan invited Earthling Ed for an interview. He dares not.

"A few donuts have been on Rogan's show making this argument against veganism" 😂

Thanks for speaking up on this topic, Jack👏The world needs more well informed communicators like yourself to get the message across.
I've been vegan 10 years and have yet to hear a compelling argument for killing an animal, which ultimately always ends up being in the name of preference...not NEED.
It's all about human ego, culture, belief systems, ignorance, and insecurity. Anybody who studies psychology/spirituality enough, understands how this all works✌🧝🌱

Interesting video, I didn't know other vegans went on JRE since I stopped watching him.
Just a couple of issues.
I think touching on aquatic agriculture is important, too. People intuitively think the way Joe talked about (holding a fish vs holding a deer that you hunted), but the scale of aquatic life that is enslaved and/or destroyed by human societies worldwide beggars belief. The ecological damage of bottom-trawling or the horrific conditions of aquaculture farms that extermination fish in the trillions needs to be touched on.

The point about 'crop deaths tho' is also important and you responded well to that objection that non-vegans bring up. The other problems with the argument is that it is a tu quoque: when vegans point out the scale of animal death, the non-vegan will just accuse the vegan of doing something similar which is what a tu quoque is. Like you said, being vegan doesn't mean you don't cause suffering.
The other problem is that the type of suffering is different. Factory farms rely on intentionally and forcibly breeding animals into existence to live a short-lived life as a slave, property to be executed at a fraction of their normal lifespans. The animals that die from crop deaths are not bred to be intentionally killed, so there is a difference in type. Both are bad, but the other valid point you bring up is that much of crop production goes towards fueling the factory farms themselves. So, if we really care about both factory farm deaths and crop deaths, going vegan is a no-brainer.

Love how you managed your energy and response in a way that didn't make Joe defensive and actually made him receptive to your points. Unfortunately, I don't he changed his outlook at all after this. He still regurgitates the same talking points.

Former bow-hunter here. No animals as big as deer or elk die in "10 seconds" or "instantaneously," even from a well-placed arrow to the heart or like Joe says both lungs. Heart takes about 5 minutes for a mature deer. Lungs can take 10 - 20 minutes. Joe should know this, too. And they kick and flail about as they die. I know this because I've seen it first-hand. Hunting, while orders of magnitude less cruel than factory farms, still causes pain, and ultimately deprives the animal of an otherwise potentially long and healthy life, and is needless for most people.

One point that you could add to the nutrition argument, besides what you said, is that you can get all the necessary nutrients you need from a plant-based diet. If you're only eating salad or carrots all day, you will face health problems. The blame shouldn't be placed on veganism if you can eat a well balanced diet of fruits, vegetables, grains, seeds, nuts, legumes, and so on.

Heath Ledger returned as a philosopher?

The way Rogan taaaaaakes his time deflecting by talking about how he’d kill Hitler before he’d kill a golden retriever, even interrupting Jack as he is about to start speaking. Classic.

So you’re not the Jack Symes “from Canterbury/North Otago who was announced as the Dairy Manager of the Year at the prestigious New Zealand Dairy Industry Awards” 😂

Meat protein is not “nutritiously dense”. Plant protein - meat protein has been found to both be complete proteins and have the same muscle gains.
He enjoys hunting - that’s the bottom line.

Tough to talk with Joe Rogan about this, he dont even listen to your arguments and just continue on his excuses.

I remember the early 2010s. People were briefly interested in being compassionate and morally intelligent.

9:30 the most ridiculous thing is that as a vegan you can definitely become a bodybuilder/lifter etc, so it's not like you have to give up that dream when you become vegan