Ugh I just adore this woman. I had a girl crush on her from afar and recently was lucky enough to meet her properly when she interviewed me on tour. Let me tell you that Vogue Williams is EVEN BETTER in person than she is on screen or in our ears. You’ll know her as one half of one of the UK’s most downloaded and hilarious podcasts - My Therapist Ghosted Me - and as the star of several TV shows, including Channel 4’s The Jump where she met her now husband, Spencer Matthews. The couple have three young children, and a very entertaining podcast of their own.

But it almost didn’t turn out this way - she started out pursuing a career in…wait for it…the building industry.  She joins me to talk about this, as well as being ‘a rotten egg’ at school, how she deals with anxiety, why Spencer would have lost her if he hadn’t given up drinking and - in a really memorable conversation - her failures in friendship.

I loved talking to Vogue, but then I always do. She’s so smart and funny and a woman’s woman to her core.

00:00 Intro
05:07 Dad Loss And Strength
07:31 Anxiety Therapy Sleep
10:36 Spencer Challenges Jump
13:00 Alcohol And Change
16:11 School Trouble
19:09 Parents Split
23:19 Stepdad Steps Up
24:33 Kicked Out at 17
25:33 Why she is Called Vogue
33:53 Friendship Failures

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