Thank you to today’s sponsors:
Qualia: Go to qualialife.com/LISA and use code LISA for 15% off
You ever look at someone you love and wonder, “How could I have missed the red flags?”
Because sometimes the most dangerous person in your life is the last one you’d ever suspect.
In this raw and heartbreaking episode, I’m sitting down with famed cold case investigator Paul Holes, Gabby Petito’s mother Nicole Schmidt, and, through haunting footage, Gabby herself. We are pulling back the curtain on three of the most chilling relationship nightmares making headlines: the Gabby Petito case, the Gilgo Beach Killer, and Micah Miller’s tragic death.
This conversation is NOT just true crime, it’s a lesson in survival, strength, and the hidden ways manipulation and coercive control keep women trapped in plain sight. Homie, if you ever doubted your intuition or felt lost in someone else’s story… This is your episode. We are going step-by-step, so you never become another statistic.
Here’s exactly what we dive into:
Early warning signs: the little “controlling” gestures that become isolation
Coercive control: what it looks like from the inside—and how often police miss it
The real reason leaving an abuser can be the most dangerous moment of all
Tactical moves: how to create a safety plan, who to call, and the power of speaking out
Chapter Titles
[00:06:06] Breaking Down the Gabby Petito Case: What Law Enforcement Missed.
[00:08:24] Isolation and Emotional Abuse: How Gabby Was Cut Off from Help
[00:12:17] “Just Say You’re in Danger”: What Women Can Tell Police (and Why It's Hard)
[00:26:28] Nicole Schmidt Reveals Missed Warnings and the Aftermath
[00:33:14] Family Dysfunction: Why Red Flags Are Sometimes Generational
[00:38:09] Strangulation = The #1 Predictor of Homicide (and What MOST Don’t Realize)
[00:40:06] Safety Planning: How to Get Out (Even When It Feels Impossible)
[00:42:14] Why the System Fails Victims—and What Needs to Change
[00:46:06] Gilgo Beach Killer: “Sleeping with the Enemy” and Covert Manipulation
[00:53:37] When the Wife Is the Compliant Victim: The Role of Manipulation and Control
[01:12:13] Faith as a Weapon: The Micah Miller Case and Power Dynamics
[01:16:26] Sexual Coercion, Blackmail, and Identity: How Abusers Use What You Love Against You
[01:45:37] Can the Abuser Be Held Responsible After the Victim’s Suicide?
Follow Paul Holes:
Check out his Patreon: patreon.com/kateandpaul
Instagram: Instagram: paul.holes
Buy his book “Unmasked”: https://a.co/d/08oJyivp
Follow The Gabby Petito Foundation:
Website: https://gabbypetitofoundation.org/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gabbypetito...
Follow Me, Lisa Bilyeu:
Website: https://www.lisabilyeu.com
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Want to search through every episode, explore specific topics, or ask me questions directly? Check out my Dexa page: https://dexa.ai/lisabilyeu
WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section. That’s 100% a scammer.
Thank you to today’s sponsors:
Qualia: Go to qualialife.com/LISA and use code LISA for 15% off
You ever look at someone you love and wonder, “How could I have missed the red flags?”
Because sometimes the most dangerous person in your life is the last one you’d ever suspect.
In this raw and heartbreaking episode, I’m sitting down with famed cold case investigator Paul Holes, Gabby Petito’s mother Nicole Schmidt, and, through haunting footage, Gabby herself. We are pulling back the curtain on three of the most chilling relationship nightmares making headlines: the Gabby Petito case, the Gilgo Beach Killer, and Micah Miller’s tragic death.
This conversation is NOT just true crime, it’s a lesson in survival, strength, and the hidden ways manipulation and coercive control keep women trapped in plain sight. Homie, if you ever doubted your intuition or felt lost in someone else’s story… This is your episode. We are going step-by-step, so you never become another statistic.
Here’s exactly what we dive into:
Early warning signs: the little “controlling” gestures that become isolation
Coercive control: what it looks like from the inside—and how often police miss it
The real reason leaving an abuser can be the most dangerous moment of all
Tactical moves: how to create a safety plan, who to call, and the power of speaking out
Chapter Titles
[00:06:06] Breaking Down the Gabby Petito Case: What Law Enforcement Missed.
[00:08:24] Isolation and Emotional Abuse: How Gabby Was Cut Off from Help
[00:12:17] “Just Say You’re in Danger”: What Women Can Tell Police (and Why It's Hard)
[00:26:28] Nicole Schmidt Reveals Missed Warnings and the Aftermath
[00:33:14] Family Dysfunction: Why Red Flags Are Sometimes Generational
[00:38:09] Strangulation = The #1 Predictor of Homicide (and What MOST Don’t Realize)
[00:40:06] Safety Planning: How to Get Out (Even When It Feels Impossible)
[00:42:14] Why the System Fails Victims—and What Needs to Change
[00:46:06] Gilgo Beach Killer: “Sleeping with the Enemy” and Covert Manipulation
[00:53:37] When the Wife Is the Compliant Victim: The Role of Manipulation and Control
[01:12:13] Faith as a Weapon: The Micah Miller Case and Power Dynamics
[01:16:26] Sexual Coercion, Blackmail, and Identity: How Abusers Use What You Love Against You
[01:45:37] Can the Abuser Be Held Responsible After the Victim’s Suicide?
Follow Paul Holes:
Check out his Patreon: patreon.com/kateandpaul
Instagram: Instagram: paul.holes
Buy his book “Unmasked”: https://a.co/d/08oJyivp
Follow The Gabby Petito Foundation:
Website: https://gabbypetitofoundation.org/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gabbypetito...
Follow Me, Lisa Bilyeu:
Website: https://www.lisabilyeu.com
Instagram: Instagram: lisabilyeu
Facebook: Facebook: lisabilyeu
Want to search through every episode, explore specific topics, or ask me questions directly? Check out my Dexa page: https://dexa.ai/lisabilyeu
WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section. That’s 100% a scammer.