In this engaging conversation, Costa interviews John Wilds, a worship pastor, about his journey in ministry, the challenges he faced growing up, and the importance of taking risks with God. He emphasises the significance of intimacy with God over performance in worship and discusses the power of spontaneous worship. Throughout the conversation, John highlights the lessons learned in wilderness seasons and the songs that have carried him through difficult times. John also shares his experiences leading worship across different ministries, including Calvary, Bethel, and Jesus Image, highlighting the unique strengths of each. John reveals his future plans, including a new album and a nonprofit initiative that combines worship with evangelism.