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SURFER TRIGGER WARNING ⚠️ Surfboard Volume Challenged By 40 Year Shaping Legend Glenn Pang

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Master shaper Glenn Pang talks about how surfers are just too hung up on volume. Discover why riding for optimum performance should take precedence over a rigid attachment to specific volume metrics. We talk about how to adjust a model of surfboard to fit dimensions or a specific volume. How height and weight affects surfboard volume. What a proportional adjustment is, what a disproportional adjustment is. How do these methods of adjustment affect volume?

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00:00 Introduction
00:31 UNPOPULAR OPINION
01:01 TOPICS
01:25 THE "PURE FORM"
01:52 2 CONCEPTS
02:36 EXAMPLE
03:31 2 WAYS
04:39 BOTTOM LINE
04:51 NOT THE MODEL
06:19 HEIGHT & WEIGHT
07:01 PERFORMANCE - VOLUME
07:24 Classic Glenn

20 Comments

@KatyyShort 3 years ago Pinned

This was so informative and easy to understand! Gonna treat myself to a custom board next season and will definitely refer back to this video!

@constructiontips7089 3 years ago

Glenn DID NOT say that volume doesn't matter that much... Contrary to the title and T&C guy. What Glenn said was you can't specify desired dimensions/shape AND volume separately... They are related. Volume is indeed important...

@miguelangelfernandez1834 3 years ago

All good , I am 58 and 195 so in my case if I don’t get the volume I won’t catch enough waves. That is my 40 plus years experience riding waves.

@nicolasmaingard8379 1 year ago

Volume absolutely matters,knowing your dimensions is like knowing your volume

@craig8638 3 years ago

At around seven minutes, he says he would go wider and thicker for a heavier surfer of the same height. Isn’t that just the same as increasing volume? Doing that will definitely add volume. Seems like he’s splitting hairs.

@smallkinedings 2 years ago (edited)

I have a swear jar in my workshop. The only word that customers have to pay for is ''volume''!
I made a buddy of mine who's a bit of a heavier build a 6'2 quad with a pretty wide square tail as he kept sinking narrower tails on his pop up and killing all his speed by the time he got to his feet. The board works well for him with that wide tail.

A few weeks late another buddy asked if I could make the same board for him but with less volume. I told him ''no worries, I'll just shape it exactly the same but I'll give it a fish tail and then it'll have less volume as most of the tail foam will be removed''. He didn't want that, obviously, but he couldn't tell me where he wanted the volume removed from. Not the tail, so then what, the centre point, the chest, the nose, the width, the length?! In the end, we agreed that instead of shaping it at 2 3/4'' I'd shape it at 2 1/2'' at the same width and in this conversation the lesson was learn't that thickness, width and length are more important and accurate specifications that ''volume'', especially if you have no clue where you want volume placed or taken away from.

@bmartinot 1 year ago

Volume does matter when the waves are hopelessly gutless like where i live.

@BangTaoBeach 3 years ago (edited)

I'm 69 years old and we never thought about volume (unless it was beer). It was always dimensions. Length, width, thickness and other variables. Volume and liters was never in our vocabulary because all of our boards were hand shaped. The terms volume and liters came into play when boards became pop out's (not 100% hand shaped). A lot of boards are complete pop outs from start to finish now. If you asked a shaper in the 80's or earlier about volume and liters, they would say WTF are you talking about? This is not science class...

@TylerGrommet 3 years ago

This has to be the best explanation of surfboard design VS volume.

@PaulK365 3 years ago

When I order a board, I always tell the shaper to make the board feel thin, but be on the thicker side, and to keep it so the width makes it loose but is also has a really stable feeling, like the board is wide... I usually include, that I want the board to feel really light, but be strong with a big stringer and extra glass, but I mostly just listen to the shaper and what he suggests

@RobSymington 3 years ago

A good shaper once said ‘I can make a sphere of any volume you like….it doesn’t mean it will surf’

@bubbabigmin 3 years ago

Volume definitely matters to an extent. It's a handy reference point to work around regarding what works for you regarding your weight, ability etc. Volume of course is always determined by the dimensions of a board, which may not be obvious to everybody.

@alanluo1678 3 years ago

This is the best explanation I’ve seen for changing dimensions on a surfboard. I’ve surfed a lot in the last 10 years (tried to work it out over 30+ different boards) but I still haven’t made sense of it in my head even after speaking to all the experts I’ve met along the way.

@wcc1212 3 years ago (edited)

This vid series by Glenn is gold.

@barrydworak 2 years ago

I learned something from surfing standing river waves where you can just jump into the wave already standing.

My favorite board has been a thin, wide 4'10" with a squash tail and 5 boxes so it can be a twinzer, a regular tri, or a twinzer + a little trailer.

I'm 57, 5'9" and 220 or so, ex OC6 racer, long time barbell trainer, long torso, barrel chest. Obviously I couldn't paddle that board into anything! Basically that board is everything I need to ride, without the foam i need to paddle in. The same applies to the little tow-in boards that work fine in huge surf, as long as you have a little help from a big ski.

The shape and thickness of a regular paddle-in surfboard has to be a balance between getting into waves, and performing once you pop up.

Especially with a legend like GP as a shaper, I think I would tell him what I want the board to do, and then STFU. Maybe for another order, I might say, I want a board like that one but with a slightly different tail.

But other than that, the best thing I could do would be to tell the shaper what I want the board for, then STFU and go home.

It's not that volume doesn't matter. It's that surfers, unless they're shapers or pros who are guinea pigs for designs and get handed piles of boards to try, don't know WTF we really want or need.

So we need to have some humility and STFU. Let the artist do his job. 🙂

@evertonesquia 3 years ago (edited)

Everyone wants the magic balance … comfortable padel and good performance hahaah congrats on the video by the way please release more !

@mikezeminsky1493 3 years ago

Trigger warning. Surfing is hard! 🤣👌 Excellent video. Mahalo

@NicksCove 3 years ago

Yewww, sick video T&C! Cool hearing Glenn's perspective.

@gregwebster8784 8 days ago

Thank you! The volume is the number on the bottom of the cut sheet. I'll listen to that as soon as one customer can measure the volume of his board. Over it!

@mrnosy1 3 years ago

I think saying volume doesn't matter is a little bit unfair. I think it's a useful rough guideline because for a lot of us it's difficult to know exactly what length/width/thickness we need, especially if you're getting a quiver for different waves/conditions. If you know you usually ride 28-32 liters, then you can use that as a guideline and fine tune from there depending on the model and specific waves you want to surf.