Uhh, yea i will stick with a reliable Grey Market. 1000% markup is robbery

I buy 12 peptides from China and sent several of them to a lab for testing. They all tested at a minimum of 99% purity. The results prove it.

The problem is doctors office hike the price up 1000%. I rather buy from a vetted source and test myself.

At the end of the day, we just don’t care. I’ve talked to several of my friends all on peptides, and even if they became legal, we will still order underground. Nobody wants to take their time to go to a doctor, get a prescription, go every three months to get checked. It’s annoying. The government controls everything, and the medical system in the United States is broken. Everything’s about money, money, money, and we’re tired. I prefer to make one order, get for example, Tessa, buy 12 vials and not have to worry about it for the rest of the months to come, instead of having to deal with a doctor giving me a prescription. It is what it is.

How did you pick this vendor?  Unfortunately, you went with a bad vendor, but there are many good ones.  In fact, there are dedicated communities that organize group buys through vetted vendors, and testing is included (the buyers do the testing - not relying on vendor-supplied COAs).  There are definitely safe and smart ways to buy from the gray market.  Randomly picking a vendor without knowing their reputation is not a safe and smart way to buy.

Dr Froese you did a great job of highlighting all the dangers, with no effort put into explaining how people are smartly buying gray market peps as I explained above.

I love your stuff, Doc, and appreciate the work you did on this, but... rant begins here... I'm just tired of hearing from all the experts how naive all of us are and that the only route is compounding pharmacies.  Yes, I wish I had a source as safe and verifiable as a compounding pharmacy, but not at the risk of losing access and affordability.  I'm convinced at this point that many of these peptides do not need the same oversight and restrictive regulation as it seems many in the pharma and medical practitioner field think is needed (acetaminophen can kill me but I can get it OTC safely).  And yes, I also believe that cost and accessibility are the real issues for most of us that are willing to run the risk by using alternative sources.  There absolutely are many questionable sources and no guarantees, but there are also a lot of solid sources and examples that demonstrate that it can be done in a way that ensures access and affordability.  Peptides have changed my life for the better (much better) and I'm a real believer in their effectiveness, but if I had to count on my Dr. and insurance for access, my health would be much, much worse.

The big problem is, no one, especially YouTube doctors, will not point people in the right direction. Mention a forum that people.can go to where this is discussed. It all remains a big secret.

I guess I'm lucky with my supplier. All my Peptides check out

And the big problem is that they make it ugly expensive to buy a vial in a pharmacy if I'm able to buy 10 v for 80 bucks and I get it tested and I actually feel safer than trying to buy it through a pharmacy and I wouldn't be able to afford it if I had to go and buy it from an American pharmacy the reality is for longevity and overall health I wouldn't have the availability of the choices I have through a pharmacy and most doctors know nothing about nutrition nor peptides. I am a nurse I don't need a doctor to tell me how to do this. I've done my research but I do understand that not everybody is a healthcare practitioner and before this I was an advanced medic in the military. So what we do is need to educate the general public because even those that are prescribing even GLP ones are not telling people they need to eat enough protein to not lose their hair that they don't need to skip a meal. The doctors don't know s*** either.

Ive been ordering for the GREY for over a year and have sent in 40+ samples for testing to differ testing location and have never seen a bad batch but once where a 60mg was 70mg but was 99% pure.

You must have got a crappy supplier!

I can’t even get a doctor that knows anything about a peptide much less work with me on being treated with one…..Medspas yes….doctors no…..so frustrating when you want to try a peptide and can’t get help from a professional.

Finnrick doesn't understand one thing about Manufacturing peptides...they are allowed a plus or minus 5% for weight.

I really like the Doc and her info....but honestly, she's starting to sound bought.

This is interesting. I’ve been ordering and testing every batch at freedom as well. I haven’t had a bad batch yet and my source even gives you credit for the amount paid on the test if you share the results in their group. Definitely have to find a reliable source!

It is really hard to know what is the real truth.  Doctors and health care providers would love for everyone to go through them. That is very expensive and most cannot afford this.
And the gray market takes money out of their pocket.  The gray market is pretty much all that most of us can afford.  I appreciate everything Dr. Ashley does.

I have mine analyzed in the same lab you did, mine come back with the proper ID, purity above 99%, and quantity checked out. 🤷🏻‍♂️You should name the vendor so we can all avoid it!!

Many 503 pharmacies are supplying you with illegal peptides that isn't on the market. One of them is retatutride Wich no lab has the authority to make for off label use.

There was a pharmacy in Texas recently that was in trouble for shotty sterile practices.  Quick search shows this happens all the time in many states.  I realize there are supply issues in gray market but these 503A and 503B pharmacies aren't exactly clean either.

I literally know over 20 people that buy peptides from China and everyone is doing fine and most of us are competitive bodybuilders I'm a heavyweight myself.